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#1 ~She~

Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:01 PM

A short time ago my parents adopted a purebred cocker spaniel lady who had puppies a couple of weeks later - apparently the previous owners had no idea she was pregnant and the only male they remember her being around was the next door neighbours cocker spaniel, but nobody knows for sure.

We will be giving one of the puppies a home - we had planned on getting a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel soon anyway as we always planned to after renovating and have decided that one of these would be great, their Mum is a beautiful, placid girl.

The puppies are now 3 weeks old, and we have chosen our beautiful girl but there has been a lot of speculation about what sort of breed they may be crossed with, so dog gurus of eb - what do you think?

Below are some pics of our gorgeous new family member taken today at 3 weeks old original.gif


Edited by ~She~, 24 November 2012 - 03:15 PM.


#2 nothing123

Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:05 PM

Many purebred dogs are hard to distinguish at 3 weeks old - let alone a cross bred pup!  Their ears are undeveloped, their noses short (for feeding) and their coat immature so they don't really show breed features.


Post again at 8 weeks and if any breeds are showing through it will be more apparent.

#3 ~She~

Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:14 PM

Yes they are changing weekly - and I need to correct myself they are 4 weeks old.

Thanks for the response I will repost in a few weeks original.gif

Removing picture now as it is too large also...

#4 Oriental lily

Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:15 PM

Agree.

Way to young.

#5 PatG

Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:43 PM

QUOTE (Freakypet @ 24/11/2012, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
aaawww sad.gif  I missed pictures of little furry squishies??? cry1.gif

  Yup, it was pretty cute!!  Here is (a totally not related to this thread) photo to help those who missed out.



Edit to remove cute photo of random internet puppy as the real one has returned!

Edited by PatG, 24 November 2012 - 05:46 PM.


#6 my2earthangels

Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

To me it looks like a labrador x


#7 ~She~

Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:11 PM

Sorry ladies - will repost, hopefully resizing worked. PatG that puppy looks a lot like them original.gif



#8 dakotaskys

Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:19 PM

wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif Awwww their both so beautiful! wub.gif  wub.gif  wub.gif Now I want a puppy lol grin.gif

#9 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:29 PM

Plenty of spaniel in that cute squishy face.

Wait till it gets a bit older, and you'll get a better idea of whether there is anything else in the mix.

#10 Red Cabbage

Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:09 PM

Aww thats so cute!

#11 casime

Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:14 PM

Lab X.  Those ears are too small for spaniel.   They're spot on for a lab.  Head shape is definitely lab.

#12 Scruffy Wuffy

Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

Awwww,puppy breath! Bit too young to possibly work out what it is breed wise. But a guess from me it looks like some Labby in there. But yea,like Spikey says post another puppy pic when they about 8wks,should get a better idea then. I have 4 pups I have been handraising since 10 days old and they are 6wks old next week & the change I have seen in them from then til now has been amazing!

#13 casime

Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:49 PM

I will also add OP that b**ches can have litters sired by more than one dog.  So if there is variation between the pups it can mean that there is more than one sire.

#14 *Ker*

Posted 24 November 2012 - 06:55 PM

Yeah I would say Lab X too. I've had a lot of cocker fosters and they don't look anything like your pup.


#15 Oriental lily

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:08 PM

Here is a link to purebred 4 week old cockers.
http://www.champdogs.co.uk/litter/15275

Longer ears and already getting the droopy eye feature going.


so I guess one thing you can now be sure of is that they are not pure!

What do oodle x pups look like?

Maybe the previous owners wanted a quick buck around Christmas and spoodles are still the 'in' thing.

Might just be cynical though....

#16 nellieb

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:11 PM

I'm going to go against the grain and say that gorgeous puppy looks pretty gosh darn cockerish to me.

Not necessarily show dog cocker, but cocker nonetheless.

#17 noi'mnot

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:31 PM

I think that this puppy is cute.

I have no idea what breed it is, but thanks for posting the picture of cutes! original.gif

#18 ~She~

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

QUOTE (Freakypet @ 24/11/2012, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
laughing2.gif DH saw me "awww" ing over the puppies and yelled from the other room "NO MORE PETS!!"

roll2.gif


Haha busted! biggrin.gif

QUOTE (casime @ 24/11/2012, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will also add OP that b**ches can have litters sired by more than one dog.  So if there is variation between the pups it can mean that there is more than one sire.


I never knew that! Interesting! I will post a pic of the other pups in the litter.

Oriental Lily, thanks for that link, I agree those puppies look different, but gorgeous little things <3

Scruffy Wuffy, wow that must be a lot of work, good on you! What a wonderful bond you must have with them. I know they will change I 'm just getting impatient to know laugh.gif By the way - love your user name, my childood dog was called Scruffy and he was the best, I still miss him so much cry1.gif

Just for fun here's some pics of the rest of the litter, this is the odd one out:

Edited by ~She~, 24 November 2012 - 07:33 PM.


#19 Oriental lily

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:36 PM

That almost looks a bit blue heeler like.
Or maybe the Merle is just coming from the cocker side of things.

What colour is the cocker?

#20 ~She~

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:36 PM

And one more of our beautiful girl wub.gif


#21 casime

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:37 PM

What colour is mum?

#22 ~She~

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:38 PM

Whoops this didn't work before - this is the other 2 of the litter original.gif



Mum is a pure black Cocker

#23 Erma Gerd

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:42 PM

I think I vote Lab too. The yellow colour (ee red) has to come from both sides, so the likeliest suburban dog would be Lab or Goldie... or perhaps border collie or kelpie? They both come in ee red (cream) varieties.

The ticking (rather than merle) I think is a dominant trait, so only needs to come from one side, and could come from the mother's Cocker side. Does she have freckles? Or it could come from border collie or cattle dog (but then a purebred cattle dog shouldn't carry ee red).

Not sure about the pattern white (white body)- in border collies it can crop up here and there, but usually one or both of the parents will have a bit of extra white, extending around over the knee or similar.

Pic of mum please?

ETA: in view of the Irish Spotting type patterns on the pups and the mum being fully black (with no white, I assume), I rescind my Lab vote, and now put my money on something predominantly border collie, or an Irish Spotted, probably ticked Cocker. Or a crossbreed.

Edited by mjk05, 24 November 2012 - 07:45 PM.


#24 nothing123

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:49 PM

QUOTE (nellieb @ 24/11/2012, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm going to go against the grain and say that gorgeous puppy looks pretty gosh darn cockerish to me.

Not necessarily show dog cocker, but cocker nonetheless.



Well it's probably gonna, cause it's Mum is a Cocker.


OP you're definitely looking a more broad-skulled breed as the other half.  The other huge possibility is that the father was a mixed breed himself.  You don't get that cattle dog coat from a labrador!  Although I do agree that the pups look a bit retriever-like (golden or labrador).  But as others have mentioned, if the b**ch had access to one male dog, she probably had access to more than one.

4 week old goldie pups  http://magikgoldens.com/morganpups4wks.jpg

Edited by nothing123, 24 November 2012 - 07:52 PM.


#25 Oriental lily

Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:50 PM

Hmmm one of those other yellow ones has a blaze.
Do cockers have blazes?

Perhaps dad is a border collie cross lab?

I had this mix growing up and he had the blue Merle on ha nose in  a pattern of a blaze and merle on hs legs and had medium length floppy ears.

I could imagines hm father pups with a cocker and looking like that.

Edited by Oriental lily, 24 November 2012 - 07:51 PM.





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