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#1 Guest_Sunnycat_*

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:08 PM

....you're on a plane with a baby on your lap and it starts going to sh*t and you have to get in the brace position, what are you meant to do with the baby?

I've heard depending on impact sometimes your knees can hit your chest (although it's still supposed to be the safest position) so I'm assuming it's not safe to have the baby in your lap in the brace position.mind you if the  plane is going to crash, there's probably not much that can be done anyway.

Anyone know? Or anyone wondering anything random?

#2 Elemenopee

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:12 PM

Anyone else read that as 'it starts doing a sh*t'?
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#3 Tea~for~two

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (Elemenopee @ 23/11/2012, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone else read that as 'it starts doing a sh*t'?
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Me! laughing2.gif

#4 Guest_Sunnycat_*

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:15 PM

QUOTE (Elemenopee @ 23/11/2012, 08:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyone else read that as 'it starts doing a sh*t'?
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biggrin.gif Well I'd know what to do then in that situation as I'm used to being shat on.

#5 heffalumpsnwoozles

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:16 PM

With the leg room as it is on most planes, I'm not sure it's physically possible for your knees to get anywhere near your chest. ohmy.gif

#6 Veritas Vinum Arte

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:16 PM

From the PP reading, held onto bubs and try not to notice the smell and pray that it dors not leak out. I remember one flight... Starting our descent, seatbelts lights on... Bubs gets the concentration face. 40 mins of hell is what happened.... As we had to wait on the tarmack for a gate to open too.

Everyone around us could not get off the flight quick enough.


As for the other..... It has never crossed my mind.



#7 adl

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:17 PM

Me too... But DH works for an airline, just asked him as he has done all the training and said no idea besides baby, within your arms and use the back of seat????

But now I am curious I shall ask on next flight !! cool.gif

#8 Guest_Sunnycat_*

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE (adl @ 23/11/2012, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Me too... But DH works for an airline, just asked him as he has done all the training and said no idea besides baby, within your arms and use the back of seat????

But now I am curious I shall ask on next flight !! cool.gif


Thank you! I must know, it's really bugging me even though I'm unlikely to go on a plane anytime soon.

#9 liveworkplay

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:24 PM

I remember reading that you are meant to place them on the ground oomg.gif I remember thinking that there is I way I would be placing an infant in.the ground in the event of a crash.

Although one would think before it got do the crash position you would be belted in and therefore the baby would be belted to you anyway.

#10 pickledbrain

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:24 PM

You lean your head against the seat in front and the baby is then placed on your tummy, legs around the back.  Or you just lean as far forward as possible, again with the child against your tummy, legs around the back.


Edited by pickledbrain, 23 November 2012 - 07:27 PM.


#11 adl

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:26 PM

I couldn't wait so asked google .....

From Wikipedia ....

The brace position as set out to airlines in the UK for passengers in forward-facing seats is based on extensive analytical work arising from Kegworth. It is subtly different from that in the United States and some other countries. Passengers should place their feet and knees together with their feet firmly on the floor (either flat or on the balls of their feet) and tucked behind the knees to prevent shins and legs being broken against the base of the seat in front. They should bend as far forward as possible, resting their head against the seat in front if it is within reach and place their hands on the back of their head, with the hands one on top of another (rather than interlocked). Their elbows should then be brought in. This prevents both flailing of the arms in the crash sequence and protects the head from flying debris. The head should be as far below the top of the seats as possible to prevent injury from any collapsing overhead compartments.
If carrying an infant on a lap, it is generally recommended that above positions should be adopted as best as possible, cradling the child with one arm and using this to also protect the child's head. In the UK, lap children are instructed to wear an infant safety belt which is a separate seat belt with a loop that connects to the parent's belt; however, in the United States such belts are not permitted by FAA regulations. The FAA believes that such baby belts significantly increases the risk of injury to the child.[2][3] In the early era of commercial aviation, the recommended brace position for children was on the floor against a bulkhead; this has since been amended due to the position's lack of protection. The safest position for an infant is in an aviation certified child safety seat.
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Livework - it also said that placing kids on the floor has been revoked as too dangerous...it was meant for bulkhead seats but isn't used now

Edited by adl, 23 November 2012 - 07:29 PM.


#12 Nastyflea

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:29 PM

overhead locker?



that was a joke BTW.

#13 Rumply

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:30 PM

I was JUST about to look up flights to Vanuatu.... not any more!!!

#14 Therese

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:31 PM

QUOTE (Jenflea @ 23/11/2012, 08:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
overhead locker?



that was a joke BTW.


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#15 TinMan

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:32 PM

I've googled it seems to be baby tummy to your tummy and legs around your trunk-then brace as best you can on the seat in front.

I might add I can only contemplate this because I am not going on a plane anytime soon- when I am, I go into denial. DS2 tried telling me about a particularly enthralling air crash investigations waiting in Kansai Airport once and I nearly couldn't get on the plane  biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Rumply @ 23/11/2012, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was JUST about to look up flights to Vanuatu.... not any more!!!


Exactly!

#16 adl

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:37 PM

You do realize  it's a safer than driving in a car??? Just don't go on dodgy airlines in less regulated countries...

#17 Soontobegran

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:43 PM

I believe it is recommended they go on the floor between your feet Sunnycat.
You thinking of flying east? original.gif


ETA....Ignore the above as I have just read the updated recommendations. It USED to be on the floor wink.gif

Edited by soontobegran, 23 November 2012 - 07:46 PM.


#18 Domestic Goddess

Posted 23 November 2012 - 07:46 PM

Hmmmm when I flew to Europe, we went on 3 different planes and on none of them I was explained what to do with DS in case of him doing a sh*t. I mean if things are going to sh*t.

In the US those seatbelts might not be allowed, but I can guarantee you that every airline I've flown with in my life (a fair few different ones) have had the belt to belt for children under 2.

They suck big time though. Ie: On the way to Europe last year, we had an incredible amount of turbulence and DS (didn't fit in the provided bassinette as he weighed 15kg at 14 months) was lying down and sleeping on the the seat next to me.
I had to keep dragging him onto my lap and buckle him every 5 minutes when the seatbelt light went on.
DS did not notice the turbulence (I suspect the rocking and bumping was actually comforting to him) and was NOT a happy camper sad.gif

#19 Guest_Sunnycat_*

Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:05 PM

Thank you ADL and Pickledbrain original.gif

I will now be able to sleep easy tonight. original.gif

#20 girltribe4

Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

My parents would make beds on the floor of the airplane for us children to sleep on when we flew Aus to Uk back in the 80's happy.gif Much more comfy than trying to curl up in the chairs .

#21 Veritas Vinum Arte

Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:13 PM

DG from many years of travel..... Keep child strapped in and attached to you. When kids have their own seat and manage to fall asleep across two seats, do up their seatbelts on the outside of the rug. Means thy during turbulence they won't wake up your kids.



#22 unicycle

Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:33 PM

QUOTE (lsolaBella @ 23/11/2012, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DG from many years of travel..... Keep child strapped in and attached to you. When kids have their own seat and manage to fall asleep across two seats, do up their seatbelts on the outside of the rug. Means thy during turbulence they won't wake up your kids.

absolutely,   this has worked for us. can also recommend emirates, as they moved my son to an empty row after seatbelt sign went off on an overnight flight. bless.

#23 seepi

Posted 23 November 2012 - 09:30 PM

I once saw on Oprah that you are meant to wrap the baby up in a blanket (like rolled up in there), and then put then on your lap, and sit on either end of the long rolled up blanket. I guess that is for tiny babies.

#24 niggles

Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE (seepi @ 23/11/2012, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I once saw on Oprah that you are meant to wrap the baby up in a blanket (like rolled up in there), and then put then on your lap, and sit on either end of the long rolled up blanket. I guess that is for tiny babies.


That sounds like a method for smothering a baby.

#25 oliboli

Posted 24 November 2012 - 12:23 AM

Lean forward as far as possible, one arm on the seat in front, with your head resting on your arm, the other arm cradling your infant




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