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#1 CherrySunday

Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

I knew I made a mistake giving DS a name ending in 's'.
I can never remember how to make it possessive or plural.

If I wanted to write the sentence 'Evelyn used to say Atlas's name 'ay-at', but now it's 'asses' ' (which is entirely true!) I would do it as above.
Is this correct in making his name his - possessive?
Is it the same as Atlas's toy, Atlas's book etc?

Where, if at all, would Atlas' come into it?

#2 Pull Up A Beanbag

Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:40 PM

the name is his, so you need to use a possessive apostrophe.

Atlas' is the acceptable way of making an S word into a possessive.

Atlas' hat, Atlas' name.

Atlas's is also correct, just not as tidy Tounge1.gif

#3 CherrySunday

Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

QUOTE (NapCat @ 22/11/2012, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the name is his, so you need to use a possessive apostrophe.

Atlas' is the acceptable way of making an S word into a possessive.

Atlas' hat, Atlas' name.

Atlas's is also correct, just not as tidy Tounge1.gif

Thanks NapCat. Neither of them looked right, but it's good to know I can use both without looking like a fool Tounge1.gif

#4 Procrastinator5000

Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:42 PM

Exactly that! ^^^^



#5 Dionysus

Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:43 PM

both are now correct, unfortunately


#6 Mercurial

Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:44 PM

I agree with Napcat.  

I also agree that stick with Atlas' hat and not Atlas's hat, it may be considered correct but looks awful.

#7 mum850

Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:45 PM

This is Thomas' hat.

This is Thomas's hat.

Which is right then?

#8 harryhoo

Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:46 PM

Yep both are correct... I used to work in print media and we were told that if you pronounced the second 's' you should use the second 's'... even though as PP said it doesn't look as tidy!

#9 Ange remplie

Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:50 PM

I agree that both are correct.  I prefer the second s.   ph34r.gif

#10 Guest_3Keiki_*

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:03 PM

well I am confused

#11 Overtherainbow

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:04 PM

x

Edited by round the twist, 22 November 2012 - 07:30 PM.


#12 Dionysus

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:04 PM


QUOTE (FluffyOscar @ 22/11/2012, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Incorrect! Please do some research!

Atlas's is something that belongs to Atlas.

Atlas' is something that belongs to multiple Atla-s.

eg. James's hat is the hat belonging to James.

James' hat is the hat that belongs to Jame and Jame and Jame.



I don't know about this

I know what you are trying to say...

the boys' toys - toys that belong to a group of boys

the boy's toys - toys that belong to one boy.

But, I think with names ending with 's', it's not about the plural at all

#13 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:04 PM

Sorry, Fluffy Oscar but you need to do some research.  Both are correct and a style choice.

They also have always both been correct.

#14 EsmeLennox

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:05 PM

Both are correct as people have said, but the trend to 'drop the s' has changed recently, with more official organisations opting to use the 's.

And FO you are incorrect. You are talking about a situation where a word is already a plural, a person's name is never plural. Maybe you should do some research.

Edited by Jemstar, 22 November 2012 - 07:07 PM.


#15 Jupiter

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:06 PM

If something belonged to multiple Atlases it would be Atlases'.

Who is Atla? ninja.gif

#16 Dionysus

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:06 PM

QUOTE (round the twist @ 22/11/2012, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My understanding would be Atlas' hat.

Atlas's hat would mean a hat belonging to more than one Atlas.

I'm with Fluffly Oscar.


that isn't even what FO said


#17 Dionysus

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE (Balzac @ 22/11/2012, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry, Fluffy Oscar but you need to do some research.  Both are correct and a style choice.

They also have always both been correct.



Have they really?  We were certainly taught there was only one correct way whilst at school.  I think I read somewhere last year, on some esteemed website (oh yeah, on EB  wink.gif) that it had changed.

Perhaps the change was that it was simply more acceptable to use either one.

#18 EsmeLennox

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:15 PM

It was more the norm to drop the 's in the 70s and 80s, now the tide has turned. Both, however, have always been correct. As others have said it is a style choice.

#19 Dionysus

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:23 PM

QUOTE (FluffyOscar @ 22/11/2012, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This was taught to me by a Professor of English. Until you can show my otherwise, I am correct.



We have.

#20 CherrySunday

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:29 PM

Oh dear - controversy!

http://www.grammarbook.com/ tells me that in the use of
apostrophes with Names Ending in s, ch, or z, the
rule is: To show singular possession of a name ending in s, ch, or z, use the apostrophe and another s.
From that, I'd use Atlas's hat - which I do prefer the look of somehow...

#21 noi'mnot

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:30 PM

This addresses it, as well as many other apostrophe issues.

#22 noi'mnot

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:33 PM

And another more official guide here, for those that prefer it Oxford Dictionary style.

#23 CherrySunday

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:35 PM

QUOTE (noi'mnot @ 22/11/2012, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This addresses it, as well as many other apostrophe issues.

that makes it much easier!

#24 Dionysus

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:36 PM

edited as I just completely confused myself and I think I was agreeing with FO all along, but couldn't see it


still think you aren't quite right about the plural bit though  LOL



Edited by **Mel**, 22 November 2012 - 07:40 PM.


#25 Dionysus

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:46 PM

I blame alcohol for my poor comprehension skills   LOL

As a teacher (clearly, not of English!), apparently I go straight home from work and drink, so I blame that   original.gif

Edited for grammar   roll2.gif

sneaks back in to check spelling

Edited by **Mel**, 22 November 2012 - 07:54 PM.





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