Jump to content

Europe with a 16 month old


  • Please log in to reply
15 replies to this topic

#1 Feral-chillibean

Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:46 PM

Against my better judgement, we are going to Europe next year with our (will be then) 16 month old and 3.5 year old daughters.

Not at all worried about the older one.  She will watch the iPad, do drawing, have her own seat so that's all good.

DH has found some flights with japan airlines (so each leg is around 8-9 hours) but I have a couple of issues.

1. They are day flights, so we are going to have a fully awake (or at best a couple of hours sleep) from the little one.
2. He is suggesting no seat, and just rely on the bassinet (up to 11kg so weight should be fine but they sound a bit small)...

I would rather night flights whereever possible, with an extra seat for the 16 month old.

What do you think?

#2 Feral Grey Mare

Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:50 PM

Day flights with no seat sound fine as long as you and  DD1 sit in one part of the plane and leave DH and DD2 in the bassinet seat.

#3 Feral-chillibean

Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

biggrin.gif biggrin.gif  

Now there's an idea!!

Could those seats for me and DD1 be in business??

#4 JBH

Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:54 PM

We took DS1 at that age, expecting the worst, but he was fine. We had an extra seat, but in fact he just lay on top of me in the baby bjorn facing inwards with a muslin over him. It was a day flight, but he lay quietly most of the time and dozed. I think he enjoyed the closeness. He refused to eat, but drank lots of milk.


By the way, Italy was easily the most child friendly place we visited.

#5 mum201

Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:55 PM

I have flown JAL and love them, however unless your baby is incredibly short, will not fit in the bassinet at 16 months. Mine barely fit in there at 6 months (although is tall), so I can't imagine any babies fitting in there after 12 months........ If you can afford it I would get a set.......or as pp suggested take miss 3.5 and sit elsewhere!
16 months is a tricky age....

#6 becstar101

Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:02 PM

We travelled to Europe 2 years ago with children almost exactly the same age.

Very few (if any) airlines will allow a 16 month old in the bassinet. No matter what the travel agent says, or weight restrictions are, they dislike anyone over 6months. One attendant told me once kids can roll over or sit up on their own they're not allowed to use the bassinet.

SO your 16 month old will be on your lap if you're not lucky enough to have a spare seat nearby. We had bulkhead seats on 2 of the four flights (but not able to use bassinet) which was good, as we could put ds down on to the floor to play. He was crawling but not walking.

Two of the four flights we were in the middle of the plane with no extra seat. I can tell you it was a nightmare with a squirmy, fairly big 1 year old. We drugged him up with phenergan for one flight (under advice from Gp and pharmacist) so he slept for a few hours but it was hard.

It can sometimes help to check in early to request bulkhead seats, or to ask if you can be seated next to an empty seat, but it doesn't always work.

All I can say is good luck!

#7 IsolaBella

Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:03 PM

At those ages we went for three seats at the side together.

Two kids shared a seat ( armrests up) most of the time or I sat in the middle between them.

As I said in another thread the big question is how much is $2k worth to you?

You also would be low priority for bassinet seats.

Eta: on that flight to EU I was 2m PG too with morning sickness

Edited by lsolaBella, 21 November 2012 - 05:05 PM.


#8 TheSmithFamily

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:51 AM

I prefer a day flight over the night flight when the child does not have a seat. It means running down the aisles a little is more acceptable! wink.gif
My DS is 11kg now at 14 months and only just fit in the bassinet at 9 months length wise.

Good luck

Bron



#9 Bluenomi

Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:20 AM

We took DD to the UK when she was 15 months. We went with Virgin Aus and she fit in the bassinet easily.

The best thing was to breast feed her alot. That was the best way to keep her quite and calm. Also night flights were the best, our worst leg was the one first thing in the morning after she'd had a good night's sleep  wink.gif

#10 llinh

Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:19 PM

well a lot of parents give kids phenergan (antihistamines) on long haul flights - whether or not that's ethical is another question.

#11 IsolaBella

Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:27 PM

Considering antihistamines are not to be sold for undr 2yrs unless they have a medical script not really good advice.

I have done 4x EU and back with kids 16-25m of age. Never drugged them..... Even for the child with pneumonia.

#12 SplashingRainbows

Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:33 PM

At 16 mo my son most definitely would have needed his own seat "space", but he is certai my at the more active end of the spectrum of toddler behaviours. He also would not have fit in the bassinet seat - including on virgin planes. He just fit the virgin bassinet at 8 months.

I love Isolabellas suggestion of the two little ones sharing though. I'll definitely remember that one if we are ever in that situation (I can dream right wink.gif )



#13 SeaPrincess

Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:36 PM

If you can afford it, I'd get a seat.
QUOTE (mum201 @ 21/11/2012, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
unless your baby is incredibly short, will not fit in the bassinet at 16 months. Mine barely fit in there at 6 months (although is tall), so I can't imagine any babies fitting in there after 12 months

I was going to say the same thing. They're not really safe either once they can sit up because they can just launch themselves over the side.  Also, although the travel agents will tell you bassinets are assigned on a first-come first-served basis, the airlines we've flown have all told me they are assigned by age.  I wouldn't rely on having one.

Personally, I don't medicate my children for no reason, but I do take Panadol or Nurofen in my hand luggage for every flight.  And if you do decide to use an antihistamine, test it before you go, because some children actually experience the opposite effect and get hyperactive.

#14 kandj

Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:08 AM

We've just returned from a europe trip with Singapore Airlines. Our 18month old did much better then we expected. I say request the bassinet seat regardless as you get more room at your feet for them to get up and down and for their toy stash etc.
We were able to use the bassinet for ours - she is only 11kg and the bassinets on singapore are good til 14kg. they didn't have a problem with her age or the fact she could sit up etc. they had a little flap that dip up over top of her whilst asleep though so maybe some of the others don't have this?
My 3 year old son had a nap in it too - though he is only 12kg and likes to sleep curled in a ball original.gif

I would still probably opt for the day flight options though, its much less stressful entertaining them then it is trying to get them to sleep. She loves the Ipad though so that definately helped, and she watched a bit of the onboard stuff too. then by the time they eat, nap and play with whatever goody bag they are given by the airline, its time to land!

We would do it again if we could afford it original.gif

#15 Fabulous

Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:32 PM

We flew to the USA with Virgin when my DS was 16 months and we found the bassinette to be very useful.

#16 Ice Queen

Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:42 PM

We flew to Europe with Malasian Airlines when DD was 17mo.  I was given a piece of advice by a friend re the bassinette......make them fit.... laugh.gif .  DD is very tall for her age and she fitted.....just.  I just rocked her to sleep and then put her in there, folding her legs slightly to make her fit!  As soon as she woke, one of us had to grab her as soon as she sat up.  It was fine, she slept all night in it.  I agree that day flights are harder.

And yes we took drugs......I would NEVER get on a long haul flight with a baby without them.  No way. But that is a personal choice.  It was a one off, she has never had it since, I doubt it will affect her long term!




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

How to talk about your pregnancy at work

The workplace isn't always a friendly place for pregnant women. Yet working women inclined to conceal a pregnancy from prying coworkers may be better off opening up and carrying on, according to a new study.

Tell us your story to win!

To celebrate Mother's Day this year we are giving you the chance to win one of five great prizes simply by telling us your story.

Where to get help to help your baby sleep

There is so much pressure about having a baby who sleeps 'all night' , it's no wonder you worry about your baby if she wakes in the night.

Vintage baby names having a comeback

What makes some names have comebacks while others silently fade into oblivion? A few factors come into play.

When your partner doesn't want you to breastfeed

Dads can have many reasons for not wanting their partners to breastfeed their baby, but both parents should learn more about it before making a final decision.

Model mum Sarah Stage shares post-baby selfie

Most new mums would recoil at the thought, but Sarah Stage has shared a post-pregnancy selfie just four days after giving birth.

I'll admit it: I have last child parenting fatigue

If you're a new mum and feeling ignored by the older mum/the old hand/the has-been, please know, it's not you, it's me. Blame the last child parenting fatigue.

Exhaustion is not the same as tiredness

Having a new baby isn't tiring - it can be downright exhausting.

Five posterior babies, four home births

I was on a high. I'd done it all by myself with no help from anyone.

Mum's list of birthday gift demands goes viral

We're big fans of kids' birthday parties - but this is one bash we're glad we didn't get an invite to.

Kate Middleton to receive 'loyalty discount' for second birth

Everybody loves a bargain - including the Duchess of Cambridge.

Fish & chip shop owner's sad note goes viral

A lengthy note put on the window of a fish & chip shop has gone viral due to the writer's serious doubts about the romance of travel.

Pregnant women need good nutrition advice, not judgment

Pregnant women are under pressure to do all the "right things" to have a healthy child. It results in women feeling judged about their decisions.

When your child wants you to have another baby

Giving your child a sibling when you don't want to have another baby can be a complex issue.

William Tyrrell's mum speaks out: 'We hope he is still alive'

The mother of missing toddler William Tyrrell says she has a vision that somebody "picked him up and moved him on ... that's the only way ... to explain for him not to be there".

Family comes first for 23-year-old Tommy Connolly

Most 23-year-old blokes spend their hard earned cash on fun times with mates or romantic dinners with their girlfriend, but not Tommy Connolly.

Newborn all-girl quintuplets 'doing great'

The first all-female quintuplets born in the United States were delivered last week, at 28 weeks and two days.

Model mum's big baby silences critics

He may be less than a week old, but baby James Hunter has already helped his model mum silence her critics.

Jammy, Hula Hoop, Rage: Reddit reveals most unusual baby names

A recent Reddit thread has revealed some of the more creative names in the world.

Woman awakens from coma, learns she gave birth

A US woman awakened this week from a four-month-long coma that doctors had feared would be permanent and learned that she had given birth to a baby boy, according to her family.

'Give us a break': mum sent shocking letter over Facebook baby pics

Posting a lot of baby photos doesn't make you a bad person. It may make your Facebook feed a little irritating, but it doesn't make you a bad person.

In defense of the dads who do so much

It's time to shift the focus off what dads aren’t doing and shine it on what they are.

The modern cloth nappies too cute to cover up

If you're only just joining the modern cloth nappy movement, or would like to spruce up your collection, we have to introduce you to Designer Bums.

How breastfeeding can affect your libido

When you’ve just had a baby, having sex isn’t usually top priority. In fact, for a lot of women it rates about as appealing as changing another dirty nappy.

Should pregnant women be allowed to use 'parent and child' car parking spots?

Is it acceptable to use these car parking spots when pregnant? How many of us would admit to doing it?

Healthy baby from sperm taken 48 hours after a man died

Fertility doctors have described their "most extraordinary case" - creating a healthy baby from sperm taken 48 hours after a man had died.

Sign up to our 30 days of #PlayIQ challenge

Sign up to receive 30 amazing tips and ideas for play with baby during the month of April and submit a picture or tip on our social wall for a chance to win an amazing Fisher-Price prize pack.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Last chance to win a year's supply of toys

You have less than a week left to win your child one of five Fisher-Price toy packs valued at over $600 each - hurry, enter today!

Childcare is a big problem, but there's more to it

Let’s keep talking about these issues and not allow them to be put into a neat little box that’s labelled ‘Fix childcare and everything is solved’.

Pink's awesome response to body-shaming trolls

When trolls felt the need to comment on 35-year-old singer-songwriter Pink's weight, her answer was an awesome ode to body love.

Fertility clinic offers egg donors $5000

A national chain of fertility clinics is offering egg donors a $5000 payment to cover their expenses, a first for Australia which is raising concerns the money could act as an inducement.

Baby boy abandoned in India amid fresh surrogacy concerns

Australian officials could do nothing to stop an Australian couple from abandoning their baby son, born through surrogacy in India, after they decided they did not want to bring him to Australia.

Herd immunity and community responsibility: how free-riders can make kids suffer

Individual choice works for haircuts and handbags, but not for preventing infectious diseases that kill kids.

Photographer captures 'unexpected beauty' of birth

If there is one thing Leilani Rogers knows about childbirth, it is that no two deliveries are ever the same.

Expectations vs the reality of making a toddler's clothes

Note to self: less sewing, more life. Not the party dress, but the party. The toddler, as usual, has it all figured out.

Mum meets 'dead' daughter 49 years after birth

In 1965, Zella Jackson-Price was told her premature baby girl had died shortly after birth.

How pregnancy probiotics can help you and your baby

New research suggests that taking specific pregnancy probiotics could be the answer to a range of common pregnancy side effects.

53 creative pregnancy announcements

Announcing that you're expecting can be a time to express your creativity, sense of humour and imagination. Check out how other parents and parents-to-be have broken the news to friends and family.

IKEA hacks for the nursery and kids' rooms

Are you one of those that know the whole IKEA catalogue by heart? Love their stuff but want to personalise it? Here's some inspiration to help you realise the potential of IKEA furniture and fittings.

36 baby names inspired by food and drinks

A French court may have ruled out Nutella as a baby name, but that doesn't have to stop you from taking inspiration from the supermarket (or bottle shop). See what parents in the US have chosen for their delicious little ones.

 

ENTER NOW!

Win a year's worth of toys

Last week to submit a picture of your baby at play for your chance to win. Visit the Play Wall to view our recent entries.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.