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#1 Feral-chillibean

Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:46 PM

Against my better judgement, we are going to Europe next year with our (will be then) 16 month old and 3.5 year old daughters.

Not at all worried about the older one.  She will watch the iPad, do drawing, have her own seat so that's all good.

DH has found some flights with japan airlines (so each leg is around 8-9 hours) but I have a couple of issues.

1. They are day flights, so we are going to have a fully awake (or at best a couple of hours sleep) from the little one.
2. He is suggesting no seat, and just rely on the bassinet (up to 11kg so weight should be fine but they sound a bit small)...

I would rather night flights whereever possible, with an extra seat for the 16 month old.

What do you think?

#2 Feral Grey Mare

Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:50 PM

Day flights with no seat sound fine as long as you and  DD1 sit in one part of the plane and leave DH and DD2 in the bassinet seat.

#3 Feral-chillibean

Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:53 PM

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Now there's an idea!!

Could those seats for me and DD1 be in business??

#4 JBH

Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:54 PM

We took DS1 at that age, expecting the worst, but he was fine. We had an extra seat, but in fact he just lay on top of me in the baby bjorn facing inwards with a muslin over him. It was a day flight, but he lay quietly most of the time and dozed. I think he enjoyed the closeness. He refused to eat, but drank lots of milk.

By the way, Italy was easily the most child friendly place we visited.

#5 mum201

Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:55 PM

I have flown JAL and love them, however unless your baby is incredibly short, will not fit in the bassinet at 16 months. Mine barely fit in there at 6 months (although is tall), so I can't imagine any babies fitting in there after 12 months........ If you can afford it I would get a set.......or as pp suggested take miss 3.5 and sit elsewhere!
16 months is a tricky age....

#6 becstar101

Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:02 PM

We travelled to Europe 2 years ago with children almost exactly the same age.

Very few (if any) airlines will allow a 16 month old in the bassinet. No matter what the travel agent says, or weight restrictions are, they dislike anyone over 6months. One attendant told me once kids can roll over or sit up on their own they're not allowed to use the bassinet.

SO your 16 month old will be on your lap if you're not lucky enough to have a spare seat nearby. We had bulkhead seats on 2 of the four flights (but not able to use bassinet) which was good, as we could put ds down on to the floor to play. He was crawling but not walking.

Two of the four flights we were in the middle of the plane with no extra seat. I can tell you it was a nightmare with a squirmy, fairly big 1 year old. We drugged him up with phenergan for one flight (under advice from Gp and pharmacist) so he slept for a few hours but it was hard.

It can sometimes help to check in early to request bulkhead seats, or to ask if you can be seated next to an empty seat, but it doesn't always work.

All I can say is good luck!

#7 Isolabella

Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:03 PM

At those ages we went for three seats at the side together.

Two kids shared a seat ( armrests up) most of the time or I sat in the middle between them.

As I said in another thread the big question is how much is $2k worth to you?

You also would be low priority for bassinet seats.

Eta: on that flight to EU I was 2m PG too with morning sickness

Edited by lsolaBella, 21 November 2012 - 05:05 PM.

#8 smithsholidayroad

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:51 AM

I prefer a day flight over the night flight when the child does not have a seat. It means running down the aisles a little is more acceptable! wink.gif
My DS is 11kg now at 14 months and only just fit in the bassinet at 9 months length wise.

Good luck


#9 Bluenomi

Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:20 AM

We took DD to the UK when she was 15 months. We went with Virgin Aus and she fit in the bassinet easily.

The best thing was to breast feed her alot. That was the best way to keep her quite and calm. Also night flights were the best, our worst leg was the one first thing in the morning after she'd had a good night's sleep  wink.gif

#10 llinh

Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:19 PM

well a lot of parents give kids phenergan (antihistamines) on long haul flights - whether or not that's ethical is another question.

#11 Isolabella

Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:27 PM

Considering antihistamines are not to be sold for undr 2yrs unless they have a medical script not really good advice.

I have done 4x EU and back with kids 16-25m of age. Never drugged them..... Even for the child with pneumonia.

#12 SplashingRainbows

Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:33 PM

At 16 mo my son most definitely would have needed his own seat "space", but he is certai my at the more active end of the spectrum of toddler behaviours. He also would not have fit in the bassinet seat - including on virgin planes. He just fit the virgin bassinet at 8 months.

I love Isolabellas suggestion of the two little ones sharing though. I'll definitely remember that one if we are ever in that situation (I can dream right wink.gif )

#13 SeaPrincess

Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:36 PM

If you can afford it, I'd get a seat.
QUOTE (mum201 @ 21/11/2012, 12:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
unless your baby is incredibly short, will not fit in the bassinet at 16 months. Mine barely fit in there at 6 months (although is tall), so I can't imagine any babies fitting in there after 12 months

I was going to say the same thing. They're not really safe either once they can sit up because they can just launch themselves over the side.  Also, although the travel agents will tell you bassinets are assigned on a first-come first-served basis, the airlines we've flown have all told me they are assigned by age.  I wouldn't rely on having one.

Personally, I don't medicate my children for no reason, but I do take Panadol or Nurofen in my hand luggage for every flight.  And if you do decide to use an antihistamine, test it before you go, because some children actually experience the opposite effect and get hyperactive.

#14 kandj

Posted 30 November 2012 - 11:08 AM

We've just returned from a europe trip with Singapore Airlines. Our 18month old did much better then we expected. I say request the bassinet seat regardless as you get more room at your feet for them to get up and down and for their toy stash etc.
We were able to use the bassinet for ours - she is only 11kg and the bassinets on singapore are good til 14kg. they didn't have a problem with her age or the fact she could sit up etc. they had a little flap that dip up over top of her whilst asleep though so maybe some of the others don't have this?
My 3 year old son had a nap in it too - though he is only 12kg and likes to sleep curled in a ball original.gif

I would still probably opt for the day flight options though, its much less stressful entertaining them then it is trying to get them to sleep. She loves the Ipad though so that definately helped, and she watched a bit of the onboard stuff too. then by the time they eat, nap and play with whatever goody bag they are given by the airline, its time to land!

We would do it again if we could afford it original.gif

#15 Fabulous

Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:32 PM

We flew to the USA with Virgin when my DS was 16 months and we found the bassinette to be very useful.

#16 Ice Queen

Posted 30 November 2012 - 12:42 PM

We flew to Europe with Malasian Airlines when DD was 17mo.  I was given a piece of advice by a friend re the bassinette......make them fit.... laugh.gif .  DD is very tall for her age and she fitted.....just.  I just rocked her to sleep and then put her in there, folding her legs slightly to make her fit!  As soon as she woke, one of us had to grab her as soon as she sat up.  It was fine, she slept all night in it.  I agree that day flights are harder.

And yes we took drugs......I would NEVER get on a long haul flight with a baby without them.  No way. But that is a personal choice.  It was a one off, she has never had it since, I doubt it will affect her long term!

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