Jump to content

Quick question Re anchoring a booster seat


  • Please log in to reply
16 replies to this topic

#1 azalia

Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

Hi there,

I wanted to anchor our booster seat in just for the weekend as we're going on a long drive but I've just noticed it says 'do not use anchor/tether if using seatbelt'. Can anyone tell me why this is? Wouldn't it make the seat safer to anchor it and use a seatbelt?

Thank you.

#2 IsolaBella

Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:53 PM

What seat do you have?

By law (ie Australian Standards) any seat which has a mass greater then 2 kgs has to be tethered. Generally only foam boosters and half boosters do not have this (new infa folding traveller is exception).

Eta: if you have been using booster seat you should have had it anchored all this time.

Edited by lsolaBella, 20 November 2012 - 03:56 PM.


#3 azalia

Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:32 PM

Hi Isobella,

Thanks for your reply, I have the britax hiliner, which is foam, I've been using it in the third row of my car that doesn't have an anchor point because it is almost impossible to do up the boosters seat belt with two other seats along side it.  I just did it then for the school run and have skinned my knuckles it took me 10 minutes to try to get the seat belt in. I think I'll have to move it back to the 3rd row.

But back to the original question, why does it say to not use a seatbelt with anchor?

#4 IsolaBella

Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:36 PM

Hi liner is not foam it is a plastic booster. Foam booster would be an urban or Pegasus.

The foam ones do not come with tether points.



#5 IsolaBella

Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:37 PM

Can you give me model number and what page from instructions you are reading?



#6 Nofliesonme

Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:41 PM

The safe n sound hiliner is not foam it is plastic if it has a tether strap. And unless you have a lap sash seat belt inthe centre this seat shouldn't be in the centre without a h harness which is tethered. Either way that seat should be anchored all the time. To your question mine doesn't say that. Oh sorry third row. My bad

#7 azalia

Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:13 PM

Thank you for your replies. I find all this a bit confusing.

It is a brand new Hiliner, all I could find is this HI-LINER SG PHANTOM. When you said about the manual though, I got it out too and I think I may have been mistaken, it says in there do not use seatbelt with a versa tether, I had never heard of this or used it but I just googled it and think its something else for floor tethering, not normal tethering.

Ok, so I can anchor it then. Thats good, thank you:) I have now just seen threads about seat belt extenders which could eliminate the problem Im having bucking up the booster seat, but there are mixed reviews about them being safe.  Is it going to be safer using seat belt extenders to a booster in the middle seat second row or having a non tethered booster seat in the third row?

And yes, it is a lap sash belt to the middle seat second row. New car, airbags and proper seats to the third row, though of course not as much space for protection in rear impact crash.


#8 SusanStoHelit

Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:27 PM

Just come back from seat shopping (moving DD1 up when DD3 arrives in April). My understanding is if it has a tether strap / anchor point you must use it, as PP said due to weight issues with chair. Went into baby shop looking for a foam (no tether) seat, as one of our cars doens't have a third anchor point. Was told that these were now illegal in QLD and had to buy the (more expensive) hard plastic seat with anchor point. Was also told at the same time that if a lap only belt is to be used (which is our car in the middle too) then a harness must be used, and these harnesses attach to the strap which then attaches to the anchor point. Dubious that she was just trying to "upsell" me, I checked with the department of transport and was told that all of the above is correct!

#9 IsolaBella

Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:35 PM

No PP you have been told a furfy. There are even new plastic folding booster seats which have no anchor point (infa traveller folding booster).
Even half booster seats are still legal. A legal seat must have an Aust stds sticker.

Yes if there is a lap only belt a booster seat must be used with an add on harness which requires an anchor point..... This has always been a requirement.

No I would not use a seatbelt ectender. Also it actually is not a legal use of your seat to use it in the rear row without an anchor point anchoring.

Edited by lsolaBella, 20 November 2012 - 06:39 PM.


#10 azalia

Posted 20 November 2012 - 06:45 PM

Yes, Pumpkin that is correct, and a H-harness is not as safe as a seatbelt.  rolleyes.gif the whole thing drives me nuts, because there is so much varying info floating around and it is something that should be clear and simple but it is not.

I am trying to do the safest thing for our family and it is frustrating that there are not more car options available considering the new laws force you to use car seats for all children under 7 and there are many familys with 3 kids under 7 requiring car seats.

When I went shopping for a booster seat for DS1, I went to 5 different shops, looking for options as I knew I would likely put it into the third row.  The kmart foam booster has massive wings and the seatbelt will not fit nicely around the seat, It looks ridiculously unsafe. So I took it back. Then I bought the hipod I think,  or another one similar and it didnt have the anitsubmarine clip. So I ended up buying the hiliner as this came with the antisubmarine clip and is reviewed very safe.

Aside from the risks of the booster being in the car non tethered in the event of an accident and it flying around wouldnt it be safer to use the plastic better booster with an antisubmarine clip opposed to a foam booster?  I am going off saftey first, not the legalities.

#11 azalia

Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:00 PM

Isolabella the legality is frustrating, however the saftey factor is primary for me, so if it were safer to have him in a non tethered hiliner as they do in the US in the third row then I would do this over a foam.

So if its unsafe to use a seatbelt extender and illegal to use a tethered booster in a 3rd row without anchor points then what are the options?

Continue to struggle to get the seatbelt done up on DS1 (and this is a big struggle, not just difficult and it looks rather unsafe as the booster seatbelt is right behind the booster and the middle seat is not as long as the outer two which makes the booster look as if it is not sitting as well on the seat) but have him and the other two children all anchored to the 2nd row, or place DS1 in a foam non tethered booster in the 3rd row. Am I missing something or is that the options available?

#12 BabyBumbleBee

Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:03 PM

QUOTE (azalia @ 20/11/2012, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am going off saftey first, not the legalities.


I would think if you cared about safety you'd tether a seat that required to be tethered though? rolleyes.gif

#13 AnotherFeral

Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:13 PM

The seats might fit better if you swap the booster's position with one of the 5 point harnessed seats. Worth trying.

#14 azalia

Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:23 PM

Of course I would bumblebee if that were a possibility, which I have just asked for options on what I can do. If using a seatbelt extender is also unsafe and yet it's next to impossible to clip a seatbelt in of a booster in the second row, then what am I able to do?  I am searching for information to find out if it were safer to use a foam non tethered in the third row opposed to a hiliner non tethered but cannot find much.  Australia is exceptionally behind on car seat safety so I do not believe the laws here for car seat safety are necessarily the safest, however I am trying to abide by them but it is very limiting on what is available.

#15 IsolaBella

Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:28 PM


http://www.infasecure.com.au/product_range...-+The+Traveller

Legal seat for rear row no anchor point.




#16 SusanStoHelit

Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:42 PM

OP, I'm not sure what state you're in, but I just double checked the QLD Department of Transport website. (See previous post re: dubious upselling). The lady I actually spoke to over the counter (when I was in to renew my licence) must have been a little confused, but from my discussion with her and the website I can gather the following:
1. A lap only seat belt requires a harness
2. You can still buy a foam only booster seat (no tether) but the cushion only types are being phased out.
3. The seat must be installed according to manufacturers' instructions (which includes all anchor straps)

For us, with no anchor point and a lap only belt in the middle, we have decided to pay to get an anchor point installed (about $200). This is because the harness requires an anchor point. So in your situation I think you could either put up with the hassle of buckling in 2nd row, go for the foam (no tether) seat in the 3rd row, but only is the 3rd row has a lap-sash belt, or possibly investigate installing an anchor point in the third row?



#17 azalia

Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:43 PM

Thank you Isolabella that folding seat looks good, it is higher than the hiliner too which is good as I have very tall children. It is yet to have many reviews though safety wise, but I will definitely have a look.

Thank you Pumpkin, they are lapsash seats in the back row, and unfortunatly I cannot install new anchor points, its a Kluger and Toyota advise against it, otherwise that would have solved all my problems immediatly!! Definitely the best option if you can:)

I did go back out and reconfigure the seats around, and with the booster on the passanger side there is slightly more room to shove the booster over to the door while you do the seatbelt up then pull it back in. Not ideal, but it will work for a while longer till DS1 is out of a booster.

Thank you:)




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

Tot meets his heroes, falls apart with excitement

Two-year-old Quincy finished his potty training last week, and as part of his reward he was able to meet his idols.

Beautiful in our eyes: Georgia's story

I will never deny the fact that grief has a place when you give birth to a child who brings a set of circumstances very different to what you imagined. Because for nine months, I thought I knew my Georgie.

'It's been phenomenal': widower dad of quads thankful for support

There was nothing Erica and Carlos wanted more than a baby.

Vin Diesel names daughter after actor Paul Walker

The actor said there was "no other person" he was thinking about when he chose the name.

How midwives can help women who experience domestic violence

More than half of women who live with abusive partners experience violence during pregnancy.

Mum describes giving birth during Cyclone Pam

A new mother was told she must flee Port Vila hospital with her baby as Cyclone Pam bore down.

6 signs you're done having babies

There were a few signs I'm never going back to the land of maternity jeans, breast pumps and bassinets.

Marta Dusseldorp reveals breastfeeding cost her an acting job

Australian actress Marta Dusseldorp has revealed she was forced to withdraw from a Sydney Theatre Company production because a director did not approve of her breast feeding.

Female celebs (or their babies) with traditionally male names

Looking for a name that's a little bit different for a girl? Turn to names that have been traditionally used for males, as these celebs (or their parents) did.

'If you're anti-immunisation ... take a look at this picture of my son'

Greg Hughes is "an absolute shell of a man" as he and his wife Catherine struggle to come to terms with the loss of their newborn son Riley to whooping cough.

How an extrovert can raise an introvert

Introverts are often misunderstood as shy, and sometimes even rude. A timid child can be difficult to build rapport with, but it's important we nurture their sensitive natures.

Sheryl Sandberg's advice

'Choreplay': Help out at home to get more sex, Sandberg tells men

Forget foreplay. The new and improved route to intercourse is "choreplay" - it's good for your spouse, good for your house, and comes with the imprimatur of feminist du jour Sheryl Sandberg.

How to play with your baby

The first time your child learns a new skill at playtime is very exciting - for both you and your baby! Play is important to your child's development for a variety of reasons - here are some simple ideas for you to try at home.

I'm a single mother by choice

For me, being the best mother I can be means being a mum alone, at least for now. Thinking of my friends with inadequate partners, I wonder why more people don’t choose single motherhood.

Awkward wedding photos

Weird poses, surprise photobombs, bizarre editing: these are the wedding photos that should have never seen the light of day.

Four-week-old baby Riley Hughes dies of whooping cough

The mother of a four-week-old Perth baby who died after contracting whooping cough says her family has been left devastated by the loss of her "gorgeous, sweet" son.

Win a Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom prize pack

To celebrate the April 1 release of Holly's Magic Wand on DVD and Digital, we are giving away five DVD packs featuring the newest installment of Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom Holly's Magic Wand and many more hours of family entertainment! Enter Now!

Oh boy! Video shows family's reaction to baby surprise

Little Peyton Williams thought she was getting a baby sister named Charlee. But the two-year-old has had to settle for a doll dressed in pink after her baby "sister" turned out to be a boy.

How to help build up your baby's immune system

We all know that having a strong immune system is the best way to stay healthy – but what can we do to help it along?

'Nick, you need to call an ambulance': home birth mum's tragic death

A Melbourne mum who died after the home birth of her baby pleaded with her husband to call an ambulance because she felt she was going to die, the Victorian Coroners Court has heard.

When dads believe their baby doesn't 'like' them

Q: My two-month-old baby doesn't like me. He's perfectly content with my wife, but when I try to hold him, he gets upset and cries. I've backed off a little, thinking that he just needs a little time to get used to me, but that doesn't seem to be working. I'm starting to think I'm just not a very good dad. Is it too late for me to build a relationship with my baby?

When was the last time a stranger praised your parenting?

Wouldn’t it be great to get some nice feedback every now and then? After all, everyone likes to hear positive praise, particularly when it comes to parenting.

Special Ticket Offer, Save $8!

The Essential Baby & Toddler Show is back this April! Save $8 off the door price for a limited time only!

15 names on the verge of extinction

If you're looking to revive an older name, or don’t want anything near the top 1000 list, check out these rare monikers for your unique baby.

5 characteristics of great dads

It’s great to see a generation of dads who are more actively involved with caring, nurturing and loving their kids.

Why doesn't Australia have more breast milk banks?

When there’s no question that milk banks are important, why don’t we have more of them in Australia?

Carrie Bickmore announces birth of daughter

Television personality Carrie Bickmore has given birth to her second child.

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Sign up to our 30 days of #PlayIQ challenge

Sign up to receive 30 amazing tips and ideas for play with baby during the month of April and submit a picture or tip on our social wall for a chance to win an amazing Fisher-Price prize pack.

Man faces jail after giving woman abortion pill smoothie

A Norwegian man is facing jail after putting abortion pills in his ex-girlfriend's smoothie, causing her to have a miscarriage.

'He's a blessing': family of baby born without eyes

Jordy Jackson was born without eyes. He has anophthalmia, which affects one in every 100,000 babies born.

Super fit model Sarah Stage defends her pregnancy body

Model Sarah Stage has defended her pregnancy body after critics claimed her slim figure at eight-and-a-half months pregnant wasn't "normal".

Win a Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom and Peppa Pig prize pack

To celebrate the April 1 release of Holly's Magic Wand on DVD and Digital, Essential Baby and Entertainment One are giving away five bumper DVD packs featuring the newest installment of Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom Holly's Magic Wand and many more hours of family entertainment! Enter Now!

Why I post breastfeeding photos online

I love to take pictures of my children. In some of the pictures, my younger son is nursing.

The day I broke my baby

There are things I wish I didn't know. I wish I didn't know that companies make tiny braces, small enough to hold necks no bigger than a wrist.

The place just for dads of multiples

When a couple discovers they're expecting multiples, the dad can sometimes be almost forgotten in all the excitement and preparation. But one group offers a space just for dads of twins and higher-order multiples.

Brave mum calls for domestic violence law reform

A brave mum of two has shared details of the harrowing attacks she suffered at the hands of her partner in a bid to help other victims of domestic violence.

Why I had the new test for Down syndrome

Early last year I turned 35, and having just found out I was pregnant, I opted to have the new test for Down syndrome.

Geeky baby gear

If your family is more into Star Wars, gaming and the periodic table than most, you might want to check out these geek-chic baby items.

2015: the year of the sheep

According to the Chinese zodiac, babies born in the year of the sheep are creative and enjoy spending quiet time with their own thoughts.

Breakthrough genetic testing now available in Australia

Pregnant women will for the first time have access to locally analysed, accurate, non-invasive pre-natal genetic testing when the first Australian clinic to offer the services opens its doors next week.

Grandbabies: the babies born looking old

Not a day under 65 and a lifetime of struggle! That's the look of these newborns, who look adorably older than their real age. Social networking site Reddit recently featured user submissions of adorable grandbabies, here are our favourites.

Family kicked off flight after toddler seatbelt drama

An entire family was kicked off a Cathay Pacific flight when a misbehaving toddler refused to put his seatbelt on.

Stolen baby found after 17 years

A baby stolen from her mother's arms shortly after birth has been found through an astonishing coincidence.

53 creative pregnancy announcements

Announcing that you're expecting can be a time to express your creativity, sense of humour and imagination. Check out how other parents and parents-to-be have broken the news to friends and family.

IKEA hacks for the nursery and kids' rooms

Are you one of those that know the whole IKEA catalogue by heart? Love their stuff but want to personalise it? Here's some inspiration to help you realise the potential of IKEA furniture and fittings.

36 baby names inspired by food and drinks

A French court may have ruled out Nutella as a baby name, but that doesn't have to stop you from taking inspiration from the supermarket (or bottle shop). See what parents in the US have chosen for their delicious little ones.

Clever breastfeeding products

Check out this range of products designed to help make your breastfeeding journey more enjoyable, manageable and convenient.

 

Sign up now!

30 days of #PlayIQ challenge

Receive a daily email from Essential Baby during April with great play tips and ideas, then submit your baby at play photos to our Playwall, Instagram or Twitter for your chance to win.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.