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#1 hicoco

Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:49 AM

Help! My 14 mo DD has had numerous poo explosions already this morning (five or six - I've lost count I'm so drugged by their foul smell. sick.gif ) So, I wanted to ask for help in EB land about what (if anything / or everything) could have caused this dire situation...

Her life in the last few days:
  1. Moved to Aldi formula on Sunday 11 November. Was previously on Karicare Gold Toddler (3). I just checked out other EB posts re Aldi formula - some said great, others said it makes their baby chucky. So not sure.
  2. She got sick this Sunday afternoon (18 November.) Very high fever. Grumpy grumpy so and so. Had two doses of 1-5 yo Panadol suspension, then another one yesterday morning.
  3. Yesterday - took her to the doctor who diagnosed yet another ear infection. Prescribed her antibiotics - Amoxil 5ml 3 times a day. She had a dose at lunchtime then one last night.
  4. She ate a very small amount of spag bol and banana custard for dinner.
  5. Doctor also recommended a probiotic so I bought Kids Inner Health probiotic powder. 2.3 gm in apple puree yesterday at lunch, and the same in her weetbix this morning.
  6. Because she is still in a lot of pain with the ear (which will be cut off if she has another ear infection soon ...grrrrr) she had a dose of 1-5 yo Panadol syrup (new bottle, forgot to get the suspension stuff she likes) last night and then one again this morning.
So with everything new that is going on I don't know what has caused the poo explosions. They are all huge poos. The first was all sandy little black spots and took about a million wipes to clean off her bum. The rest still have black sand but have been very very runny. I learnt to my cost not to leave it for one second after she had pooed, otherwise the nappy just doesn't cope.


Could it be the new formula?


Or the AB's?


Or the probiotic?


Or the new Panadol?


Or all or nothing of the above?

She is (finally) asleep now - must be feeling very relaxed - so if it is the formula then I will have to wait until later to go get some more Karicare. But it will be worth it for her to stop being such a poo machine!




#2 JoMarch

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:17 AM

I think it could be any of those things, but amoxil is definately known for gastro intestinal upset so could be that.  If so maybe see your GP again, but don't stop the ABs unless the GP advises to.  

I agree with the PP that I don't think it would be the new formula, shes been on it for a while now.  And also agree in keeping her well hydrated. I also doubt if its the panadol.  Panadol really is gentle on the stomach.  

Hope shes better soon. original.gif

#3 hicoco

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:23 AM

Thanks 20% Cooler. Yes I forgot to mention that she also has two big bottom teeth just poking through. So she is in a right state at the moment as you can imagine.

Re the probiotic at the same time as the AB's - I specifically asked the doctor about this. I said 'so I should give it to her when she finishes the AB's?' He said - 'no give it to her at the same time because while the AB's will kill everything (good and bad) the probiotic will give her back the good stuff so her system gets back into shape faster than waiting until she finishes the ABs and then starting the probiotic.'  

I am confused now. I watched the ABC program about autism recently, with the comments that perhaps ABs at a young age may contribute. Not sure what I believe but DD has had ABs a fair few times in her young life due to the ear infections so I wanted her to have a probiotic to counteract the ABs.

She is awake again and I just popped my head in her door. There is A SMELL. Wish me luck...

#4 SnazzyFeral

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:26 AM

DS (15mths) can get yucky poos if he is under the weather and they can go on for a few days. The black spots could be banana?

#5 Fanny McPhail

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:28 AM

WARNING TMI COMING UP!

My DS was prone to ear infections as a littlie and had many courses of amoxil. It did affect his bowel movements the poos became a greeny-greyish colour, the consistency was soft to runny sick.gif and the odour was overwhelming . I always put it down to his body trying to expel the infection.

I'm sorry your little one is ill. It is not an easy thing to watch your baby seem so sick. Look after yourself and prepare yourself for being held hostage on the sofa by a clinghy whimpering little one.

#6 Escapin

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:29 AM

I vote antibiotics too. Plus maybe the probiotic being extra effective? It will probably be over soon, so hopefully you can just ride it out and you have enough clean clothes for your LO (and yourself!).

#7 sne

Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:48 AM

Try giving the probiotics at least an hour away from any dose of antibiotics as the antibiotics kill all microbes including those in the probiotic supplement.  Giving them at least an hour apart allows the probiotic maximum effectiveness.  

Good luck.  My son is on amoxl for ear infections at the moment and it makes his bowel motions really gross and irritate his bottom.

#8 Charri36

Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:01 AM

I'd say the poo explosions are due to the antibiotics.

ph34r.gif my body does it too, it's the infection coming out, the poor little mite, probably has a tummy full of mucus from the ear infection. It's actually a good thing - the poos. Just make sure you keep fluids up - meaning water, you might find dairy including formula makes it worse, I would return to the doctors if you are worried though, you can always make an appointment for tomorrow or the next day and cancel it if need be.

#9 Fanny McPhail

Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:11 AM

QUOTE (hicoco @ 20/11/2012, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not sure what I believe but DD has had ABs a fair few times in her young life due to the ear infections .


Have you asked for a referral to see a ENT, if she is getting repeated ear infections she may need grommits.

My son first visited his ENT at 9 months of age due to repeated ear infections and multiple courses of AB. Our ENT monitored DS for 8 months before deciding that the problem wasn't going to fix itself. I have said this before on EB but grommits have been the best thing I have ever done for my son. Since they were inserted he has not had a single ear infection and it also cleared up some none ear related issues.

Anyway I hope your little one is better soon.


#10 winkywonkeydonkey

Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:23 AM

panadol gives my son nasty runs as it contains sorbitol which can have a laxative effect in some people. But if she never usually has a problem with panadol it probably wouldnt be that.

Poor little thing hope she is better assap

#11 HurryUpAlready

Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:34 AM

Hi OP.

My 9 month DD is on AB's now for a nasty cold and the GP did say that they may cause some diarrhea which is ok (mild case) but if it is a bad case & continues then to let her know.

It sounds like your DD's is pretty nasty. Might be worth a trip back to the GP. Maybe they can change the type if AB to something that won't upset her tummy as much.

Given her multiple ear infections, I'd be going to an ENT as well. Poor little bubba, between her ears, the teeth, her tummy... no wonder she is miserable.  ohmy.gif(

#12 hicoco

Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:52 AM

Thank you all so much for your responses. I have been busy washing the cot, the mattress, the wall, her. You get the idea.

Yes the doctor did discuss grommets, esp because she always has infections in her left ear, occasionally in the right as well, but always in the left. Perhaps she just has one wonky small ear canal on the left? Who knows. But yes if the ABs don't knock this on the head straightaway the doctor will refer me to an ENT.

I will spread the pro and anti biotics out by an hour, thanks sne. And yes, I am keeping her fluids up - don't want her dehydrated on top of everything else. If she gets worse if it back to the doctor we go.

She is asleep again. But now I know what that brings I am a bit scared...

#13 Nematode

Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:53 AM

Check the warning on the AB. Pretty sure it says to check with GP if diarrhea occurs as it can indicate a potential problem. Other than that I would advise (based on advice and experience) cutting out dairy for a day or so, as this can irritate the bowel.

#14 qak

Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:00 PM

I agree with increasing the time between the ABs and probiotics.

Also I thought if you had black grainy bits in the poo it can indicate a problem caused by the ABs? Why don't you call the chemist & check that, if youwere not given an information leaflet with the medicine.

#15 FeralSchnitzel

Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:09 PM

Not wanting to alarm you, but Black sand type stuff, if it is not kiwi fruit or banana related, can be concerning - something worth getting a medical opinion on, as blood from the GIT can show up in faeces this way. In any case, it is worth a call to the doctor re the diarrhoea-antibiotic association, she might need to be swapped to another script.




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