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#1 JapNFeral

Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:54 AM

The tragic death of Sarah Cafferkey seems to point to yet another violent death of a woman at the hands of someone who may have a previous history.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-serv...1119-29m9x.html

Yesterday a woman was shot dead in Melbourne alledgedly by a man known to her

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/shooting...1120-29mum.html

How many more women have died this year at the hands of someone known to them or to someone already previously convicted of violent crimes?

What can be done?

Your thoughts...

Edited by JAPN2, 20 November 2012 - 07:55 AM.


#2 nano-tyrannus

Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:18 AM

Last week there were actually two women in melbourne who were missing:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-12/melb...missing/4367746

#3 haras1972

Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:23 AM

Not sure that anything can be done really. That's the consequence of living in a society - not everyone is following the same rule book. Extremely sad, and I feel for Sarah's family, and also for Jacqueline Mathews family - this must be ripping open old wounds.

And PP, both of those woman have been found, and they are safe.

#4 ellebelle

Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:27 AM

Yes - I've been pondering what can be done too and all I can come up with is some volunteering at a shelter. It makes me so mad that this occurs. I'm sure many of us would think "there but for the grace of God go I" after considering certain careless (in hindsight) actions from our youth.

#5 causeway

Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:45 AM

This is just tragic! I count Sarah Cafferkey's father as my friend, a mentor. This is just unbelievable! There are no words of comfort to offer, just the uncomfortable knowledge of the events which have just occurred! My heart aches for her Mum, Dad & siblings. I find this just unfathomable! What possesses someone to do something like this?

#6 Cat People

Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:47 AM

It's scary isn't it?  Sometimes I wish we the legal system of the USA which seems to give much harsher sentences.  A man who kills like that, and then goes on to have other charges of kidnap and sexual offences, is better off in jail for life (real 'life', not our 10-20 years) I believe everyone has the right to be rehabilitated but perhaps some cases can't be.  And our system of rehabilitation is pretty pathetic anyway.  The man spent 15 years in jail and came out to do the exact same thing.

#7 Walkers

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:01 AM

'It is believed Hunter served only 12 years of his sentence, and that he has subsequently been convicted of other crimes, including kidnapping and sex offences'

He does only 12 years for viciously murdering a young woman & callously disposing of her body. There is something very wrong with that.
Gets out early and commits various other serious offences and is free to walk amongst us. Now possibly involved in another murder and who knows what else in between.

An all too familiar scenario. I think there needs to be tougher sentencing for starters.





#8 Froger

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:03 AM

QUOTE (Madame Catty @ 20/11/2012, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's scary isn't it?  Sometimes I wish we the legal system of the USA which seems to give much harsher sentences.  A man who kills like that, and then goes on to have other charges of kidnap and sexual offences, is better off in jail for life (real 'life', not our 10-20 years) I believe everyone has the right to be rehabilitated but perhaps some cases can't be.  And our system of rehabilitation is pretty pathetic anyway.  The man spent 15 years in jail and came out to do the exact same thing.


I'm not sure that the USA is any safer than Australia despite their harsher sentences? And the trouble is that we don't have a system of rehabilitation. It is a system of punishment, which at times may masquerade as a system of rehabilitation. But if we are truthful with ourselves it must be admitted that we send people to jail because we want to punish them. What we currently have is a system where already damaged people go into jail, and emerge even more damaged.

I would hate to live next door to someone who has been released from an Australian jail. They have learned terrible things whilst incacerated.

I would much prefer a system where prisoners are treated as people, and given something worthwhile to do and treated with dignity. Where they are never punished or treated harshly. While this goes against what we seem to want as individuals (I seriously would want to see a person punished who hurt any of my children for example) I think we need to consider society as a whole. We are not a society who locks people up forever. So prisoners are going to have to rejoin society one day. I don't want them to come out as angry, even more damaged people. I want them to come out as better people, who have been treated kindly, perhaps for the first time in their lives, and in return learned some kindness. In this way I imagine they would emerge better people, who I wouldn't be so scared to live next door to.

Perhaps something like this:
http://theweek.com/article/index/212738/pr...hout-punishment

Edited by SarahM72, 20 November 2012 - 09:48 AM.


#9 Kaonashi

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:05 AM

QUOTE (JAPN2 @ 20/11/2012, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The tragic death of Sarah Cafferkey seems to point to yet another violent death of a woman at the hands of someone who may have a previous history.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-serv...1119-29m9x.html

Yesterday a woman was shot dead in Melbourne alledgedly by a man known to her

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/shooting...1120-29mum.html

How many more women have died this year at the hands of someone known to them or to someone already previously convicted of violent crimes?

What can be done?

Your thoughts...



My bold is what gets me. Why are these people allowed out of prison?
It's highly worrying that people like this are allowed out at all. Raping 11 women and children in a 10 month period should be a life sentence. It's not just the murderers that are of concern, repeat sexual violence is heading down the same road IMO. I don't think rehabilitation in these circumstances would work and their freedom ends up at the expense of someone else life - either literally or emotionally and physically.

#10 Cat People

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:10 AM

QUOTE (SarahM72 @ 20/11/2012, 10:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not sure that the USA is any safer than Australia despite their harsher sentences?


Yes very true.  

I'm too old and cynical to believe we'll ever have a system like in your post Sarah.  I agree it's the right way to go though.  I've never understood our system of punishment and then letting them back out with very little support.   How is that going to end in anything but failure?


#11 Feral_Pooks

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:45 AM

Prisoners of sexual and extreme violent crimes should not be released at the end of their sentences unless they can be shown to be rehabilitated, and incarceration should have that goal as the driving force behind it. I also think that if a person has been released then goes on to commit another similar offense, then they should be incarcerated indefinitely. I'm sorry, but their rights don't outweigh the rights of people (let's face it, mostly women and children) who become victims.

To even be found guilty of a sexually based crime indicates to me that there was an overwhelming body of evidence, and often callousness, as the vast majority don't even get to court, and even of those that do the majority don't result in a conviction. It scares the hell out of me that they get tossed back out into society even more ****ed up than before.

I'm sorry but I have too many personal experiences of people who have been victimized by those who have already been convicted of serious offenses. Then there are these stories as well. I know personally a woman who was killed by a man who had past convictions of serious assault, and three people who were raped by men with past convictions on rape/sexual assault. The system is failing to protect us on so many levels. I am so angry.

#12 Duck.

Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:56 AM

Life should be life.
Death sentance for gruesome murders and paedos.

Im sick of the law protecting the crims and the do gooders who stick up for them.

#13 BetteBoop

Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:54 AM

Women need to be seen as equal to men. The treatment of crimes like these by the judiciary are proof that we aren't equal and the rights of male perpetrators come before the rights of female victims.

Offences against women and children should not be subject to non-custodial sentences and time off for good behaviour. There should not be the provocation defence. What a victim is wearing at the time of a rape should be inadmissable.

Also the attitudes of the general public need to change when it comes to sex crimes. People need to stop minimising and excusing these crimes. The beliefs that women with a sexual history can't be raped or that a woman who walks alone at night is asking to be a victim of a brutal crime is utter tripe. But these attitudes persist.

Blaming the victim is simply another way of exonerating the perpetrator and giving them opportunity to create more victims. And it happens in almost every case like this.

Millions of women are victims of sex crimes every year and these crimes happen with monotonous regularity in every country in the world. I think it's obviously related to far more than a desire for sex and has more to do with hatred of women and the desire to hurt and control them.

#14 FeralBob!

Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:12 AM

Thank you Bette and Sarah72. You've both eloquently said exactly what I wanted to  original.gif

#15 Feral Cancerian

Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:40 PM

Well, an arrest has been made.



#16 Jane F. Jetson

Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:25 PM

QUOTE (BetteBoop @ 20/11/2012, 11:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Women need to be seen as equal to men. The treatment of crimes like these by the judiciary are proof that we aren't equal and the rights of male perpetrators come before the rights of female victims.

Offences against women and children should not be subject to non-custodial sentences and time off for good behaviour. There should not be the provocation defence. What a victim is wearing at the time of a rape should be inadmissable.

Also the attitudes of the general public need to change when it comes to sex crimes. People need to stop minimising and excusing these crimes. The beliefs that women with a sexual history can't be raped or that a woman who walks alone at night is asking to be a victim of a brutal crime is utter tripe. But these attitudes persist.

Blaming the victim is simply another way of exonerating the perpetrator and giving them opportunity to create more victims. And it happens in almost every case like this.

Millions of women are victims of sex crimes every year and these crimes happen with monotonous regularity in every country in the world. I think it's obviously related to far more than a desire for sex and has more to do with hatred of women and the desire to hurt and control them.


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I agree with Pooks as well. Inadequate sentencing for crimes against women (and children) simply illustrate the contempt with which we are held by this society.

I would like to see a multi-pronged approach to the issue. First, we as a society need to shift our blame from the victims of crime to the perpetrators - that is, stop telling women to not dress like s*uts/otherwise limit their lives in a vain attempt to protect themselves when we all know that random stranger attacks are the minority of assaults; and start speaking to men and especially boys about women's personhood, what constitutes sexual assault and why they should not be doing it. This crosses class and socio-economic disadvantage as we can all see from the St Johns crap going on.

We also need to address young men and boys at risk of going down this path in the first place, whether in terms of a cycle of abuse (and I'm well aware that not all victims go on to become abusers) or socio-economic or other disadvantage which promotes criminal or violent behaviour as a norm.

We need to address issues of rehabilitation in prison, absolutely, and I agree that turfing offenders out of prison after a sentence without a focus on this is far from ideal and should not be happening. But as well as this, we need to consider that the rights of innocent people trump the rights of people who have decided to break with the social contract and attack others. I feel that once an offender has crossed a certain line - probably a series of violent crimes, not limited to murder but also including sexual assault and other repeated predations - that it is more important to protect the community than to uphold the human rights of someone who has repeatedly violated the human rights of others.

#17 Feral like a Lemon

Posted 20 November 2012 - 04:26 PM

I don't think violent crime is restricted to women but I'm in favour of far harsher sentencing. I'm not a believer in rehabilitation as far murder, sexual assault or random acts of cruelty go.

QUOTE (nano-tyrannus @ 20/11/2012, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Last week there were actually two women in melbourne who were missing:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-12/melb...missing/4367746

Thank heavens both have been found safe and sound now.


#18 Missy Shelby

Posted 20 November 2012 - 05:15 PM

Makes me sick to the core that people who have committed crimes such as these are walking on the streets because they have served their sentence...

Just because you spend 10 years in jail for murder certainly does not mean you have been rehabilitated and imho if you only get 10 -15 years for killing someone what kind of a deterrent is that.

He sounds like one sick b*st*rd to me!!!




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