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#1 Liv_FERAL_sh

Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:22 PM

I don't normally read climate change articles, I find them too depressing, especially when I cycle to and from work past 1000s of planet killers with one person in them...but I read this one...THEN made the hienous mistake of reading the comments section. I am now considering quitting my job to walk up and down george street with a billboard saying "The end is nigh"

EB, can you restore my faith that not everyone in the world thinks that climate change is a pinko conspiracy?

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/degrees-...1119-29l3c.html

#2 ComradeBob

Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:29 PM

I can confirm that not everyone in the world thinks that climate change is a lefty pinko conspiracy  original.gif Even my dad thinks that something should be done  laugh.gif

#3 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:32 PM

I think it's very real, and very scary.

I don't know what it is about climate change and the science around it that is so incompatible with right wing politics? Ok, the big polluters tend to be big business, and big business and the Liberal party are in bed together...is that it? Maybe so, but good luck with your share portfolios and beach houses when the oceans rise and natural disasters wipe the value off your stake in QBE.....

#4 Guest_3Keiki_*

Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:35 PM

the reality is that denial is easier to stomach than the reality and climate change experts are fighting peoples fear which is so overwhelmingly strong. Climate denailists are great at buying into that and play on the emotion involved.
By and large people are stupid though and we are all going to hell in a hand basket but that is just my take on it

#5 Anemonefish

Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:50 PM

I work on coral reef fishes and so I have seen the effects of climate change first hand. It infuriates and saddens me to read those sorts of comments too, I usually try to avoid doing so, but sometimes I just can't help myself.

Unfortunately, the biggest culprits (the coal & oil industries) have the money to influence governments and the media. I hate the way the debate is portrayed by the media as having an equal number of proponents on each side. In reality, the vast majority of scientists working on this issue (climate scientists as well as biologists and others working directly with the effects of climate change) agree that climate change is happening, it's caused by humans, and it's something we need to act on immediately. In fact, we have already got to the point where irreversible changes are happening. Whatever we do now will be to slow down the rate of change.

#6 Liv_FERAL_sh

Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:58 PM

Oh thank god, I was spiraling into a vortex of depression thinking about how doomed the planet was!

#7 archythepeasant

Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:23 PM

There seems to me to have been an increase in the number of extremists commenting on SMH and The Age on several topics.  

Part of it might just be bad luck, but there's been a story or two recently about how some interest groups make it their business to pay employ people to seek out internet conversations and then spam it with the interest group's views.  This either kills the topic, by muzzling any intelligent debate, or changes reader's perspective on what public opinion about the topic actually is.  Climate change is a known prime candidate for this kind of malarky.

#8 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:11 PM

I'm with archy on that - there are indeed groups who pay people to post on topics that are contrary to their interests with a view to shutting them down if they can't change opinion.

Climate change is a biggy, as was the tobacco lobby - though that was quite funny as Australians all seem to believe smoking is bad for you, even the smokers. So the 'conspiracy' theorist found little to work with as they couldn't get anyone to agree with a single one of their points. Kudos to us.

Oh, and for the record, in my view, based on my discussions with scientists who research climate, etc, we do have a strong case for anthropogenic climate change happening.

#9 kadoodle

Posted 20 November 2012 - 07:15 PM

I'm sure a lot of these comments writers are rent a trolls.  It's sodding disgraceful.

#10 Chelli

Posted 20 November 2012 - 08:26 PM

QUOTE
I'm sure a lot of these comments writers are rent a trolls. It's sodding disgraceful.


I agree, a lot of people are just out for a reaction and will write outrageous comments to get some, especially in a comments section of a newspaper. It has completely put me off reading news comments online for that reason.

#11 steppy

Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:44 AM

At least the planet will get warmer and not colder. It would be a lot harder to deal with massive fields of ice again, when you think about it.

#12 Feral_Pooks

Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:03 AM

What cracks me up is when people (Barnaby Joyce, Bob Katter, et.al.) say things like "oh there is meant to be global warming yet there is the coldest summer in a decade, scoff scoff eyeroll, how do you greenies explain all the snow this year haha"

Ok, it cracks me up until I realise it is shaping public opinion and they have power. Then I wanna cry.

#13 Liv_FERAL_sh

Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:17 AM

That is a truly awesome attitude Tamm...I can't do anything so I won't bother, get used to a hurricanes, rising sea levels, over crowding and catastrophic loss of food production!

I get that it can feel like you are beating your head against a brick wall....believe me, on my commute I am filled with murderous thoughts of eco-terrorism as I go past 1000s of massive planet killers with one person in them. Does that mean that I'm just going to give up and get the biggest gas guzzler I can find? Bloody oath it isn't!

Yeah packaging is a flagrant waste of resources, but it's not like there aren't other options out there! Like perhaps not buying chewing gum at all....

The world is doomed, I'm off to get my billboard made up....

#14 Froger

Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:17 AM

The whole fecking thing is depressing. I'm currently writing sustainability policy for a service station. Surely up there with the most oxymoronic crap to ever be written. It's all about saying everything is better placed with producers and consumers and we'll just wack in a skylight and use recycled paper in the back office, and hey presto - sustainability.

But what does an individual do? Or even an individual business do? We have created a world where sustainability and care for the environment is impossible, even at a national or even world level. It's all about more and more and more and more growth. It can never be sustainable.

#15 Liv_FERAL_sh

Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:18 AM

QUOTE (Pooks_ @ 21/11/2012, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What cracks me up is when people (Barnaby Joyce, Bob Katter, et.al.) say things like "oh there is meant to be global warming yet there is the coldest summer in a decade, scoff scoff eyeroll, how do you greenies explain all the snow this year haha"

Ok, it cracks me up until I realise it is shaping public opinion and they have power. Then I wanna cry.


Absolutely, makes me wanna puke!

The other day my Mum told me climate change wasn't real, we were just coming out of an ice age. But this is also the woman who doesn't believe in GM because she doesn't want her tomatoes to taste like pork...long story....

#16 Liv_FERAL_sh

Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:22 AM

QUOTE (SarahM72 @ 21/11/2012, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The whole fecking thing is depressing. I'm currently writing sustainability policy for a service station. Surely up there with the most oxymoronic crap to ever be written. It's all about saying everything is better placed with producers and consumers and we'll just wack in a skylight and use recycled paper in the back office, and hey presto - sustainability.

But what does an individual do? Or even an individual business do? We have created a world where sustainability and care for the environment is impossible, even at a national or even world level. It's all about more and more and more and more growth. It can never be sustainable.




I know what you mean....head - wall. The whole world is going to hell in a handcart, come and join me and my billboard!

Actually eco-terrorism is looking pretty bloody attractive!

#17 ~shannon~

Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:23 AM

QUOTE (3Keiki @ 19/11/2012, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the reality is that denial is easier to stomach than the reality and climate change experts are fighting peoples fear which is so overwhelmingly strong. Climate denailists are great at buying into that and play on the emotion involved.
By and large people are stupid though and we are all going to hell in a hand basket but that is just my take on it

Could not have said it any better!


#18 NunSoFeral

Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:41 AM

You had me at "pinko", OP.

I get riled up, and then deflate under the enormous weight of ignorance that is matched only by arrogance.

And then get stupidly childish (like "accidently" throwing a dinner roll at a blustery, shout-over-the-top-py d*ckbag who regurgitated "pearls" from Mockton, Lindzen and the Mad Monk and asked where my tie-dye t-shirt was).


"...the little crazy children are jangling the keys to the kingdom..."





#19 archythepeasant

Posted 21 November 2012 - 10:57 AM

QUOTE (gettheetoanunnery @ 21/11/2012, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And then get stupidly childish (like "accidently" throwing a dinner roll at a blustery, shout-over-the-top-py d*ckbag who regurgitated "pearls" from Mockton, Lindzen and the Mad Monk and asked where my tie-dye t-shirt was).


However stupid their views, Lindzen has quals and Abbott has a important position in Australian politics, so I suppose their views have to be at least considered seriously.

But Monckton?  You met someone who seriously quoted Monckton?  Really???  That is flabbergasting!  I mean, I know that there must be some people who believe what he says, but you don't expect to meet them, walking about like they are Normal People.  Was he wearing a tinfoil hat?

#20 NunSoFeral

Posted 21 November 2012 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE (archy's mehitabel @ 21/11/2012, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
However stupid their views, Lindzen has quals and Abbott has a important position in Australian politics, so I suppose their views have to be at least considered seriously.

But Monckton?  You met someone who seriously quoted Monckton?  Really???  That is flabbergasting!  I mean, I know that there must be some people who believe what he says, but you don't expect to meet them, walking about like they are Normal People.  Was he wearing a tinfoil hat?


I did try really hard to be courteous and respectful of his opinions, even when he loudly branded me as "one of those" people, and eye-rolled me like a Mako.

And yes, he was a big advocate of Monckton (excuse prev. spelling) - he even started on the "he cured herpes" and how brilliant and misunderstood he was.

Lindzen didn't take studies which were contrary to his findings too graciously, which goes against the whole falsifiable philosophy.

As for TA - I consider him a serious threat, a seriously unstable person and seriously a bit of a douche - that's got to count, right?








#21 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:05 PM

The moment someone says "Monckton" and starts quoting seriously, is the moment I point at them and start laughing so hard that tears come out. Sometimes the ridiculous requires ridiculing.

#22 EBeditor

Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:10 PM

Astroturfing comment sections is a very established practice by various lobby groups, political parties etc. Moderating EB at election time is a nightmare!

#23 seayork2002

Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:13 PM

I agree something should be done BUT I have not been 100% convinced that these changes are all human made and not just the earths normal cycle (i.e the Ice Age and Dark Ages for modern examples)

#24 NunSoFeral

Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE (*Spikey* @ 21/11/2012, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The moment someone says "Monckton" and starts quoting seriously, is the moment I point at them and start laughing so hard that tears come out. Sometimes the ridiculous requires ridiculing.


That would have been far more appropriate than lobbing a bread roll.
It was the derision and patronising attitude (coming from someone who backed up his argument with the likes of Monckton and Co) that tipped me over the edge and showed me up for the goose that I am - I was smokin' mad = lost the argument.

I need me some deportment.

Or a concealed weapon permit.



#25 Liv_FERAL_sh

Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:39 PM

QUOTE (seayork2002 @ 21/11/2012, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree something should be done BUT I have not been 100% convinced that these changes are all human made and not just the earths normal cycle (i.e the Ice Age and Dark Ages for modern examples)


Oh bollocks, I was hoping for an entire thread where someone DIDN'T bring up that old horse.

Seayork, if you are not 100% convinced you have simply not read enough actual research.

QUOTE (EBeditor @ 21/11/2012, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Astroturfing comment sections is a very established practice by various lobby groups, political parties etc. Moderating EB at election time is a nightmare!


Are you serious!?? Lobby groups actually do this!! I flipping hope that is what was happening!




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