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#1 Allie_D

Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:42 AM

DH and I got our police checks back for our IVF application.

Mine was fine, DH's on the other hand lists 2 court appearances back from when he was young and stupid.  Both were from when he was being influenced by bad friends (one theft, one criminal damage).  It says he was not convicted of either offense but had to pay compensation.

Please someone tell me this won't affect our application?!?!  Totally stressing right now!! wacko.gif

#2 jules095

Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:29 AM

You will need to call your clinic & discuss this with them.

From memory (if it is among the big no-no's), you will have to make a submission to VCAT & tell them the situations of the crimes.

More likely it will just delay you starting a cycle, rather than not being able to do one.

#3 Magnus

Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:37 AM

I can't say for certain as we don't have police checks for IVF here in NSW.

But you can usually still get a blue card if you have minor crimes, just not violent crimes or crimes against the person or involving children. I imagine they would be looking for those kinds of crimes in the IVF police checks as well?

#4 Moo point

Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:37 AM

I should hope not! My understanding is that it would only be if a child abuse/offence were committed?

It's so ridiculous, it smacks of discrimination to me - after all anyone with a court conviction and no fertility problems can have babies whenever they want. It's only Victoria, you could always go across the border for treatment, we didn't have to do checks in NSW...

I for one hope they take away this insulting legislation, in what other context is medical treatment denied on the basis of criminal conviction anyway??

#5 Stronger

Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:19 AM

No idea sorry as we don't have to do police checks in WA for IVF...really hope it won't go against you though.

How ridiculous that you have to do police checks to do IVF there...does every person who plans (or not plans!) on becoming a parent need to do these checks?! lol!
How very insulting to people doing IVF.



Edited by bokbok, 19 November 2012 - 11:21 AM.


#6 MrsLexiK

Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:23 AM

Allie_D no that sucks!!!!! I wouldn't think a minor charge which wasn't even a charge would stop you and FX it doesn't.

QUOTE (ange_75 @ 19/11/2012, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I should hope not! My understanding is that it would only be if a child abuse/offence were committed?

It's so ridiculous, it smacks of discrimination to me - after all anyone with a court conviction and no fertility problems can have babies whenever they want. It's only Victoria, you could always go across the border for treatment, we didn't have to do checks in NSW...

I for one hope they take away this insulting legislation, in what other context is medical treatment denied on the basis of criminal conviction anyway??

There was a case here a few years ago (if that) where the women was in jail so the IVF people said no.  SHe went to VCAT because she was over 40, and I think by the time she was released she would have been over the age to have IVF in VIC.  Now for that I can understand saying no to - many other women in jail don't get a chance to make babies whilst serving time for a crime (I think it was money fraud or something like that) so why should she. But for an ordianry person I think it is total discrimination and I am disgusted our govt brought it in.

#7 Allie_D

Posted 19 November 2012 - 12:54 PM

I called my IVF nurse.  She had a bit of a giggle and said that they get quite a few guys (and girls I'm sure) who had minor charges when they were young and stupid!  She said it shouldn't be anything to worry about.  

She said they mainly look for charges relating to children (obviously) and things like serious assault (like Magnus said).  So hopefully all will be ok!  She said we'll hear from a counselor if they have an issues with it.  Hopefully they don't as DH was not convicted of either offense so I have my fingers crossed that it won't be an issue.

ange_75, bokbok, MrsLexiK I couldnt agree more!!  The whole idea of having to get the checks done really annoyed me!

#8 Bwok~Bwok

Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:01 PM

Fingers crossed it doesn't hold you up too long.

It truly does suck that you guy's have to have a PC - but other states don't - also that everyone else wanting to have a baby don't have to do the same thing.

#9 happening

Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:07 PM

Sorry to hijack but ......
My SIL and I were discussing this and I expressed my horror at the legislation.  Her response was 'I think you should have too, after all we don't want the lesbians having children'.  I always knew I didn't really like her.....

So wrong, on so many levels.  Possibly the single most stupid thing I have ever heard.

OP you should be fine, although if there was no conviction recorded I'd query why the details were released.

Edited by happening, 19 November 2012 - 01:09 PM.


#10 Mrs Dinosaurus

Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:12 PM

How long ago was "young and stupid"?

If he was u/18 (maybe 16 in Vic) he can have the offences wiped after 5 years (so it looks exactly like yours) or 10 years if he was an adult (i think, again could be different in Vic).

Have you submitted to IVF? I would call the police and ask them - they will know.

All the best OP, if not go to NSW where they don't have police checks wink.gif

Happening - yes, that is pretty high in the dumb stakes!

#11 Flaxen

Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:17 PM

QUOTE (happening @ 19/11/2012, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to hijack but ......
My SIL and I were discussing this and I expressed my horror at the legislation.  Her response was 'I think you should have too, after all we don't want the lesbians having children'.  I always knew I didn't really like her.....

So wrong, on so many levels.  Possibly the single most stupid thing I have ever heard.

OP you should be fine, although if there was no conviction recorded I'd query why the details were released.



OMG thats awful, what a ignoramus. So according to her, being a lesbian will come up in a police check? L.O.L

#12 happening

Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:29 PM

The police know .....

I tell everyone this story and the reactions are almost identical....a moment of stunned horror at the ignorant, bigoted stupidity,  then a giggle at the amazing hugeness of the stupid.




#13 Mose

Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:36 PM

Hi OP (love your hijack happening, but too flabbergasted to say anything about it!)

Glad to hear your IVF nurse didn't think it would be an issue.

There was actually a case recently where someone with prior child sex offences took up the cause after being refused IVF....and from recollection actually won the case.  I am trying to remember the details - I think it may have been DTD with someone who said they were of age and actually weren't, rather than any systematic abuse.  But in any case, given the ultimate outcome, I think the Victorian government should repeal the legislation, as it is clearly ineffective (was found to be a breach of human rights to deny IVF on this basis), and just causes stress to couples who are already in a pretty difficult place in their lives.

When my own IVF journey is over I am seriously considering starting a campaign to this end.  I think the only reason the legislation stands is that it's quicker to comply than to fight, and for most of us time is of the essence.  Then when we are holding our little ones we forget...

#14 Allie_D

Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:31 PM

QUOTE (happening @ 19/11/2012, 02:07 PM)
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Sorry to hijack but ......
My SIL and I were discussing this and I expressed my horror at the legislation.  Her response was 'I think you should have too, after all we don't want the lesbians having children'.  I always knew I didn't really like her.....

So wrong, on so many levels.  Possibly the single most stupid thing I have ever heard.

OP you should be fine, although if there was no conviction recorded I'd query why the details were released.


oomg.gif  ddoh.gif  nno.gif  OMG!!

#15 gemgirl

Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:44 AM

I'm a lesbian that did IVF. Luckily I'm in a state with no police checks original.gif hahaha.

Oh and OP I hope it's all okay original.gif Good luck!

#16 Allie_D

Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:57 AM

Got the all clear today!  Woo hoo!!! ddance.gif

DH is one lucky boy

#17 dimensionk

Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:02 PM

Yay!!!! !! ! !!!     ! !! original.gif original.gif         original.gif

#18 casime

Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:08 PM

QUOTE
My SIL and I were discussing this and I expressed my horror at the legislation. Her response was 'I think you should have too, after all we don't want the lesbians having children'. I always knew I didn't really like her.....


Because only lesbians commit crimes?   unsure.gif

QUOTE
When my own IVF journey is over I am seriously considering starting a campaign to this end. I think the only reason the legislation stands is that it's quicker to comply than to fight, and for most of us time is of the essence. Then when we are holding our little ones we forget...


I agree with this.  I'd been having treatment for six years in another state, moved to Victoria and had to get a police check before I could commence treatment.   Silly!  Start a petition.  I'll sign it!

#19 happening

Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:15 PM

QUOTE (casime @ 03/12/2012, 01:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because only lesbians commit crimes?   unsure.gif



I agree with this.  I'd been having treatment for six years in another state, moved to Victoria and had to get a police check before I could commence treatment.   Silly!  Start a petition.  I'll sign it!


I thought she meant the police know who *The Lesbians* are  -  there's a list somewhere and the police have access to it.   All kinds of stupid.

Great news OP.

I'll sign the petition too.

#20 Poseidon768

Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE (happening @ 19/11/2012, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The police know .....

I tell everyone this story and the reactions are almost identical....a moment of stunned horror at the ignorant, bigoted stupidity,  then a giggle at the amazing hugeness of the stupid.


roll2.gif roll2.gif roll2.gif
I know I'm a random, but I HAD to let you know happening.. that was some funny shizzle biggrin.gif
Bye now! biggrin.gif

#21 Mischief Managed

Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:55 PM

Great news OP!! original.gif  Where too from here?

And I'm sure I'm on that lesbian list... I'm pretty sure they steal the info from the census. Thankfully I'm seeing a FS in a different state *rolls eyes*.

#22 Red Mollie

Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE (Allie_D @ 19/11/2012, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DH and I got our police checks back for our IVF application.

Mine was fine, DH's on the other hand lists 2 court appearances back from when he was young and stupid.  Both were from when he was being influenced by bad friends (one theft, one criminal damage).  It says he was not convicted of either offense but had to pay compensation.

Please someone tell me this won't affect our application?!?!  Totally stressing right now!! wacko.gif


Victoria seems to be the only state with checks NSW doesn't if they deny you go intestate. I think it's unfair that its even a consideration!

#23 Carrie_zmatik

Posted 04 December 2012 - 05:53 AM

I wonder why there is outrage at needing a police check for IVF yet for international adoption the parents have to go through so much worse, not just police checks but very invasive questions and interviews of them and their family/friends? In the situation with adoption everyone seems to agree that necessary and that all that people should be interested in is what's better for the child. I was just pondering why the situation is seen differently for IVF.
Now I am just pondering. I don't agree that it's right, and you can easily then wonder whether anyone should be having a baby without police checks, and can you imagine the police state we would all have to live in should everyone need 'approval' to have a baby. It would be awful. I am just pondering the difference between naturally conceiving, IVF and adoption and what is or is not ok.

#24 dae-gu

Posted 04 December 2012 - 06:43 AM

Last I heard you can't do an Intercountry adoption from China if you have even had a speeding fine!!!! But, that is China's crazy way of trying to cull families from their massive waiting list.....!!!

#25 Lottie*

Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:37 PM

Ziondreamer you are so right on the hurdles placed on international adoption.    just as a side note that is OMG - in hong kong friends adopted - they had to have blood tests and could be rejected for having any form of herpes (that includes the cold sore - not just 'on the hoo haa' variety).  If you are a lesbian you had a tick a box and it came under the heading "mental illness".  There are plenty of examples and ridiculous and unfair rules everywhere.  




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