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#1 petals1

Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:33 PM

As I think everyone knows and all the polls agree if the libs changed leaders to malcolm turnbull they would romp it in ( it is also on the polls that the most popular is malcolm turnbul leading the labor party) . WHY wont they do it? What does Tony have over everyone that they wont get rid of him?

#2 petals1

Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:44 PM

Ok . Obviously Im the only one wondering . That explains it I geuss.

#3 Guest_3Keiki_*

Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

God knows - after years of being a labour/independent voter (except for the latham reign - lean times for a labour voter, lean times) I would have to say a lib goverment under turnbull would give me pause....
I have a hard time with gillard starting with how she got in. A lot the crap we are struggling with is because of the minority goverment but yeah turnbull seems like an intelligent, articulate, sensible leader as opposed to abbott who is, well abbott.
It is crappy time for australian politics. state and fed. actually a sad time

#4 Feral Becky

Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:50 PM

he has the Rudd thing going on.. The public love him but his party are unable to work with him.
He is a one man show, like Rudd, he makes all the decisions and is not a team playa.



#5 ali27

Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:50 PM

apparently, he is very unpopular within the party. I think his small 'l'liberal ideas are not liked.

#6 Guest_3Keiki_*

Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Sassy Girl @ 18/11/2012, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Because he's an a*se and I'm saying that as a mainly Liberal supporter.

Who turnbull or Abbott - surely to god you can't be saying turnbull is a bigger a*se than Abbott cause that man is TOOL!

#7 julz78

Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:55 PM

Perhaps because as leader he sucked? He had his time to shine and failed, utegate anyone?

#8 NotBitzerMaloney

Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:00 PM

Too socially liberal, rather than capital C Conservative, so appeals more to middle Australia, than to the liberal party membership base.

Not the best team leader, either. I figure he can't work put how to lead the Conservatives in his party,  which would be a challenge for the best of us.

Could be time for a third force in politics that's socially progressive and economically conservative / small government. I reckon they'd romp it in!

#9 nano-tyrannus

Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE (LindsayMK @ 18/11/2012, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
he has the Rudd thing going on.. The public love him but his party are unable to work with him.
He is a one man show, like Rudd, he makes all the decisions and is not a team playa.


How did you come to that conclusion? He only lost the leadership to Abbott by 1 vote didn't he?

#10 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 18 November 2012 - 05:20 PM

Currently the LNP is riven by factions, and seems to be suffering under the control of the more extreme ultra-conservatives.  We joke about the Tea Party, but it isn't really funny that our own 'centerist' party, is swinging further to the right.

Currently, the LNP isn't really into liberalism at all. Malcolm sits quite comfortably with the small L liberal doctrine of yore (the olden times for all you young whippersnappers), and we older voters (familiar with the more centerist liberals of our youth) are quite comfortable with that. Which is why, if the LNP is serious about attracting swinging voters it will shift its policies back towards the centre. The extreme right is not a pretty place to be, and most Australians aren't really all that conservative - one or two issues, sure - but not as a general across-the-board thing.

Malcolm doesn't have the numbers - basically, the ultra conservatives would need to shift behind him and accept more moderate and liberal social policies. Cannot see that happening anytime soon. At the point at which leaders are selected, attracting swinging voters is a non-consideration. Pretty short sighted, but hey, they want to implement those policies, and the LNP under Turnbull wouldn't go that far.

I find it quite funny that some folks are still banging on about Julia Gillard's leadership challenge. 3K- both parties change their leaders like we change our underwear. Whenever it suits them, and whenever a faction gets the numbers together. Malcolm got shafted, as did Brendan Nelson before him. Its a time-honoured tradition of both parties. Note - the LNP waited until some guy was sick, so they had the numbers to roll Malcolm. Why do you think he was so shirty about losing the leadership? Because he was totally knifed. We don't get to vote for the PM or the leader of the opposition, that's the job of the parties. They elect their leader - not ours.

So, I doubt MT will get a second go at the top jobs any time soon, because of internal LNP factional warfare. Pity, he's moderate, and that does make him very attractive to those of us who've been long term LNP supporters, but who've really disliked the past few years of their opposition.

#11 Guest_3Keiki_*

Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:09 PM

Spikey I heart you.
Everytime I am on here genuinely interested in answers you seem to be there with them.
Thanks - that is very interesting.... so what does the lib party faithful REALLY think of going to the next election with TA.
Oh RE the rolling of MT, yes i remember that - pretty awful really, but as you say they both do it

#12 BetteBoop

Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:17 PM

QUOTE (nano-tyrannus @ 18/11/2012, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How did you come to that conclusion? He only lost the leadership to Abbott by 1 vote didn't he?


Yes, but since then he has relentlessly whiteanted by publicly declaring that he doesn't agree with Abbott's position/the party line on many big policy issues.

He's not a team player. And he keeps playing games with my heart.

#13 balletmom4

Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:20 PM

QUOTE (3Keiki @ 18/11/2012, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Spikey I heart you.
Everytime I am on here genuinely interested in answers you seem to be there with them.
Thanks - that is very interesting.... so what does the lib party faithful REALLY think of going to the next election with TA.
Oh RE the rolling of MT, yes i remember that - pretty awful really, but as you say they both do it


Agree with Spikey. However, I'm thinking that the coalition may throw a spanner in the works and put Julie Bishop up for leader. I really think it's a possiblilty. Dinner is ready so can't add more ATM- but will be back later.

#14 petals1

Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:22 PM

Ta Spikey and all the replies. Im just amazed (by both sides really) that self-preservation doesnt come into it. The more popular your leader the more likely you are elected or re-elected in your own electorate due to the national swing/feelgood factor etc. Im frankly stunned that the libs dont like malcolm enough and  the alp dislike kev enough to severely up their chances of becoming unemployed by not having either as leader !
ETA Julie Bishop would get slammed !

Edited by 4boyosmum, 18 November 2012 - 06:39 PM.


#15 FarmBaby

Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:22 PM

A friend reckons that once an election seems likely they will put him in to run for PM. Interesting theory.

#16 Guest_3Keiki_*

Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:35 PM

QUOTE (balletmom4 @ 18/11/2012, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agree with Spikey. However, I'm thinking that the coalition may throw a spanner in the works and put Julie Bishop up for leader. I really think it's a possiblilty. Dinner is ready so can't add more ATM- but will be back later.



Oh sweet baby jesus what fresh hell is this????????????
Julie Bishop
GOD NO
I need to lay down for a bit

#17 Jane Jetson

Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:39 PM

The wets just seem to be out of fashion at the moment in the Liberal Party. I don't know if that's a reaction to the shift to the centre by the so-called Labor Party, or mimicry of the conservative momentum in other countries, or simply John Howard's lingering legacy, but as others have said, that small-l liberal ideology just doesn't have the numbers within the Party compared to harder-line conservatism.

QUOTE (balletmom4 @ 18/11/2012, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agree with Spikey. However, I'm thinking that the coalition may throw a spanner in the works and put Julie Bishop up for leader. I really think it's a possiblilty. Dinner is ready so can't add more ATM- but will be back later.


Erm... please God, no.

#18 madmother

Posted 18 November 2012 - 06:53 PM

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QUOTE (*Spikey* @ 18/11/2012, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Currently the LNP is riven by factions, and seems to be suffering under the control of the more extreme ultra-conservatives.  We joke about the Tea Party, but it isn't really funny that our own 'centerist' party, is swinging further to the right.

Currently, the LNP isn't really into liberalism at all. Malcolm sits quite comfortably with the small L liberal doctrine of yore (the olden times for all you young whippersnappers), and we older voters (familiar with the more centerist liberals of our youth) are quite comfortable with that. Which is why, if the LNP is serious about attracting swinging voters it will shift its policies back towards the centre. The extreme right is not a pretty place to be, and most Australians aren't really all that conservative - one or two issues, sure - but not as a general across-the-board thing.

Malcolm doesn't have the numbers - basically, the ultra conservatives would need to shift behind him and accept more moderate and liberal social policies. Cannot see that happening anytime soon. At the point at which leaders are selected, attracting swinging voters is a non-consideration. Pretty short sighted, but hey, they want to implement those policies, and the LNP under Turnbull wouldn't go that far.

I find it quite funny that some folks are still banging on about Julia Gillard's leadership challenge. 3K- both parties change their leaders like we change our underwear. Whenever it suits them, and whenever a faction gets the numbers together. Malcolm got shafted, as did Brendan Nelson before him. Its a time-honoured tradition of both parties. Note - the LNP waited until some guy was sick, so they had the numbers to roll Malcolm. Why do you think he was so shirty about losing the leadership? Because he was totally knifed. We don't get to vote for the PM or the leader of the opposition, that's the job of the parties. They elect their leader - not ours.

So, I doubt MT will get a second go at the top jobs any time soon, because of internal LNP factional warfare. Pity, he's moderate, and that does make him very attractive to those of us who've been long term LNP supporters, but who've really disliked the past few years of their opposition.


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QUOTE (4boyosmum @ 18/11/2012, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ta Spikey and all the replies. Im just amazed (by both sides really) that self-preservation doesnt come into it. The more popular your leader the more likely you are elected or re-elected in your own electorate due to the national swing/feelgood factor etc. Im frankly stunned that the libs dont like malcolm enough and  the alp dislike kev enough to severely up their chances of becoming unemployed by not having either as leader !
ETA Julie Bishop would get slammed !


Politicians are remarkably short-term sighted. Just talk to the mothers of children with special needs who advocate, fight and try to show them how much money will be saved long term if you help these kids in the now. They don't care because the results will not be within the scope of their political career
.

#19 JapNFeral

Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:32 PM

QUOTE (3Keiki @ 18/11/2012, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh sweet baby jesus what fresh hell is this????????????
Julie Bishop
GOD NO
I need to lay down for a bit

Christ on a bike...not the doe in the headlights???????

#20 balletmom4

Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE (3Keiki @ 18/11/2012, 07:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh sweet baby jesus what fresh hell is this????????????
Julie Bishop
GOD NO
I need to lay down for a bit



yep, my thinking entirely. Boring dinner party conversation by a staunch coalition supporter ( & not enough wine consumed by me) saw this scenario discussed ad nauseum. lets hope it's just speculation.

#21 purplekitty

Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:36 PM

QUOTE (balletmom4 @ 18/11/2012, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
However, I'm thinking that the coalition may throw a spanner in the works and put Julie Bishop up for leader.
Oh my giddy aunt.
I just gasped,unable to breathe.


#22 Feral_Pooks

Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:38 PM

Don't.

Even.

#23 Feral Grey Mare

Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:40 PM

Whoever it is , the unavoidable fact is that Barnaby will be deputy PM if Libs win.

#24 BeachedAsBro

Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:44 PM

Whoa. I think Tony Abbott may just be one of the #thingsmorepopularthanjuliebishop


(Check out that twitter hashtag & then #thingsmorepopularthantonyabbott )

Edited by BeachedAsBro, 18 November 2012 - 09:45 PM.


#25 Feral_Pooks

Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE (Old Grey Mare @ 18/11/2012, 10:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whoever it is , the unavoidable fact is that Barnaby will be deputy PM if Libs win.


*swallows down the bile that just rose into my mouth*

Anyone else longing for times past, when it was a Turnbull/Rudd scenario?




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