Jump to content

What happens to assistance dogs if their owners die?
Middle ground between a rescue and a pedigree for me?


  • Please log in to reply
26 replies to this topic

#1 Guest_~Karla~_*

Posted 18 November 2012 - 07:20 AM

I've been thinking about all of the points raised in my last thread and have had plenty of conversations IRL with various people. If we go the rescue dog option, I think we are best getting a puppy or doing a private adoption through one of the breed rescue groups. The problem with a young puppy is that it is more of a gamble, health and temperament wise and it may take us 12 months of training to realise the dog just isn't cut out for service work. Otherwise I think an older pup from a good breeder is the other option.

My brother mentioned that he saw a group for rehoming service dogs if something happens to their owners. I've looked, but can't see anything and thought that most groups have a condition that in the event of the handler dying, either another family member adopted the dog as a pet or it was returned to them. My brother is quite invested in this - he was the one who first suggested I look into this 18 months or so ago - as he tried to get an assistance dog for his wife before she died (brain tumour). Apparently back then he did find a group that rehomed service dogs and he thinks this would be a fantastic option for us. Does anyone know any groups like this? If there is one, I think it could be a fantastic option for us - i wouldn't feel so guilty about not saving a dog from death row and we would have a dog that we know is suitable temperament wise.

I am also looking at labs and goldies as well as shepherds now although I would prefer a shepherd. So, for those that thought I wasn't listening, I was and as I said, I do appreciate the time you took to share your opinions with me.

#2 Oriental lily

Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:13 AM

I imagine if these dogs were still faily young then they would be fairly valuable. I imagine they would be quickly snapped up by another family or person with the same condition.

For example if a ms suffer passed away and the family of the person did not want the dog as a pet then the person who passed away would have friends and associates also with ms also wanting such a dog. And it would be placed with them.

I just don't think their would be fully trained assistant dogs 'on the market' long enough to need a service Rehoming them.

Wouldn't they also be taken back by the organization who originally trained them? Who would sell them on?

Karla have you contacted service dog associations to see if such dogs ( perhaps older ones) are sold at a cheaper cost?

Or if you could go on a waiting list?


Also have you thought about fundraisers or having some sort of appeal to raise funds to be able purchase a fully trained dog out right.

Your situation is pretty special.

I know our school has fundraisers for families to purchase specialist equipment for children,

And raising funds to purchase a dog would really spark the excitement in a community when it's for such a good cause and really assist your sons.

#3 Guest_~Karla~_*

Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:23 AM

That's what I thought too OL but I promised my brother I'd look into it. He's adament he's seen rehoming services for service dogs.

There's a 3 year wait for a fully trained dog. I have no issues with doing the fundraising, but I don't want to wait 3 years!

#4 (feral)epg

Posted 18 November 2012 - 11:03 PM

It's also worth considering taking on a "failed" assistance dog!  The training is pretty rigorous and not all dogs ultimately prove useful enough.  Contact some of the associations and ask about the dogs that don't complete the training program.

#5 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:03 AM

Why would Karla who needs a trained assistance dog consider taking on a failed assistance dog? unsure.gif

Would the agencies you have talked to know about that kind of networking?

#6 hiddensecrets

Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:14 AM

QUOTE (~Karla~ @ 18/11/2012, 06:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's what I thought too OL but I promised my brother I'd look into it. He's adament he's seen rehoming services for service dogs.

There's a 3 year wait for a fully trained dog. I have no issues with doing the fundraising, but I don't want to wait 3 years!

I am in the same boat OP....if you find out if there are rehoming services for service dogs PLEASE let me know  hands.gif

#7 Oriental lily

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:01 AM

Karla I think service dogs such as ex police dogs and ex sniffer dogs might have a Rehoming service. Often theses dogs are trained a certain way that makes them hard to place because they are trained to be highly driven.

However they are totally different to assistance dogs. Which need a more more placid, intelligent temperament.

So maybe that is where the confusion is?

My sil recently adopted a lab x the other month from a foster carer,the pup is about five months old.

He is the sweetest, most biddable, calmest, friendliest, pup I have ever met. I met him for the first time on the weekend.

Funnily enough I though about you lol.

She also has two young kids.
He does not even jump up on them!

And he is already huge.


So really I think an older pup would be your best bet. This pup came to her desexed and only for 300 dollars.
Bargain!

#8 Guest_~Songbird~_*

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:08 AM

,

Edited by *SnowFlower*, 20 February 2013 - 05:21 PM.


#9 Dylan's Mummy

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:17 AM

You should co tact Guide Digs Australia or another of the assistance dogs organisations. And like a PP said, there are probably plenty that don't pass the testing, I'm sure they need homes.

#10 bubba boo

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:32 AM

I would not recommend getting a failed assistance dog. I got a failed assistance lab for a pet and even as a pet the dog was really difficult. These dogs fail for a reason and often it is a problem with training or temperament. You really don't need a dog which could have these problems as it would just add more issues.

#11 wilson99

Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:55 PM

Try smartpups.org.au

I know they ask for $10000 donation to get a dog but it comes fully trained. They may be able to help give advice on a failed dog at least.

#12 Guest_~Karla~_*

Posted 22 November 2012 - 07:43 PM

Failed assistance/guide dog isn't an option. I have spoken to a number of organisations and they have all said that the dogs fail for a reason and they wouldn't work out for our situation. Guide dogs are trained to lead out in front whereas I need a dog who will walk next to a child. The guide dog people think the level of re-training plus whatever the reason it failed would make it way too hard to try to train one if their failed dogs to the role I want to train it to.

It's a moot point now anyway. I'm picking up our new dog tomorrow. We've ended up a Lab puppy, but she passed the temperament test with flying colours and adores the twins. She kept following them around and is very sweet and very smart and incredibly people-orientated. I assessed her with the guides I was given and an old guide dog trainer has also spent time with her and agreed she has the perfect puppy temperament for an assistance dog. Obviously there's no guarantees, but she'll make a great pet at least, and with the organization who we are going to be working with will help us reach the highest level we can with her.

#13 Oriental lily

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:11 PM

How exciting!

I am so happy for you and your family.

Crossing fingers that all goes well with training.

I hope to get a lab pup in a couple of years for my eldest dd.

You need to show us pics!

Edited by Oriental lily, 22 November 2012 - 08:12 PM.


#14 hiddensecrets

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:21 PM

QUOTE (~Karla~ @ 22/11/2012, 05:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Failed assistance/guide dog isn't an option. I have spoken to a number of organisations and they have all said that the dogs fail for a reason and they wouldn't work out for our situation. Guide dogs are trained to lead out in front whereas I need a dog who will walk next to a child. The guide dog people think the level of re-training plus whatever the reason it failed would make it way too hard to try to train one if their failed dogs to the role I want to train it to.

It's a moot point now anyway. I'm picking up our new dog tomorrow. We've ended up a Lab puppy, but she passed the temperament test with flying colours and adores the twins. She kept following them around and is very sweet and very smart and incredibly people-orientated. I assessed her with the guides I was given and an old guide dog trainer has also spent time with her and agreed she has the perfect puppy temperament for an assistance dog. Obviously there's no guarantees, but she'll make a great pet at least, and with the organization who we are going to be working with will help us reach the highest level we can with her.

Oh how wonderful....I wish somewhere in WA trained dogs to be assistance dogs as thats my only hope for an additional pet for DD1 and DD2 as the landlord has put on the breaks on pets.

#15 Guest_~Karla~_*

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:25 PM

QUOTE (hiddensecrets @ 22/11/2012, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh how wonderful....I wish somewhere in WA trained dogs to be assistance dogs as thats my only hope for an additional pet for DD1 and DD2 as the landlord has put on the breaks on pets.


Have you tried Righteous Pups? They're in SA I think, but do do interstate placements. The waiting list is very long though and you do need to raise funds/pay a significant amount (I don't know exactly how much - Smart Pups require minimum $13,000). Worth a shot at least!

#16 The Old Feral

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:34 PM

How exciting! Can't wait to hear how she settles in, and see some pics.

How did you find her?

#17 Guest_~Karla~_*

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:35 PM

For you OL. original.gif

http://m.flickr.com/photos/83822366@N07/8208446928/lightbox/

Not a very good photo. I'll get better ones tomorrow and over the weekend.

#18 Guest_~Karla~_*

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:37 PM

The Old Bag, she's a rescue pup. Her mum was picked up by the pound literally days before she gave birth to 11 pups. Her mum is an absolute sweetheart - I wanted to take her, but DH said she was too old. sad.gif

#19 libbylu

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:40 PM

I had a friend growing up who's family took on assistant dog puppies prior to their formal training period.  They ended up with a few of the dogs they had as puppies back with them in their old age, once they were past their working life.  I think if the dogs could still work they would be reassigned to a new owner with the relevant needs.

#20 Weirdly Sane

Posted 22 November 2012 - 08:41 PM

That's great news for your family, Karla.  I really hope it works out for all of you - including pup of course.

#21 Oriental lily

Posted 23 November 2012 - 08:05 AM

Simply adorable.

Look at those eyes!

I really hope he is the perfect pup for you Karla.

#22 hiddensecrets

Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE (~Karla~ @ 22/11/2012, 06:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you tried Righteous Pups? They're in SA I think, but do do interstate placements. The waiting list is very long though and you do need to raise funds/pay a significant amount (I don't know exactly how much - Smart Pups require minimum $13,000). Worth a shot at least!

I looked at them but you have to travel to them for training which I can't afford to do. I found disability aid dogs that train you and your dog. They are about 2 hrs away but our current dog wouldn't pass and the shire that owns the house are hardly likely to approve a dog prior to being trained sad.gif

#23 Lyra

Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:01 PM

Congratulations! I hope it all works out for you

xx

#24 noonehere

Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:09 PM

I have never heard of a services dog ( i think his was airforce security) being rehomed.
When grandad retired his dog did to and came home to the family.

Things may have changed as that was 10 or so years ago though..

#25 Weirdly Sane

Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

Karla - how is he settling in?  Would love an update!




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

11 things that will happen when you're breastfeeding

After having three children and various degrees of success feeding them all, there's one thing I can tell you: virtually nothing will go as planned.

Surgery for baby born with a tail

A baby born with a tail has had it removed after doctors feared the birth defect might cause long term damage to his lower body.

When 'skin to skin' becomes a family affair

An adorable photo of a little boy and his dad enjoying skin to skin contact with newborn twins is melting hearts everywhere.

35 hilariously weird 'top tips'

Who would have thunk it? We never knew there were so many uses for feminine hygiene products. 

Pregnancy skin woes: acne, dry skin, itchy skin

Here are some of the most common skin complaints in pregnancy and how to tackle them, face on.

Watch this fun dance class for babywearing dads

Is there anything sexier than a babywearing dad?

Parents, this is how to cut grapes to avoid choking

One mum has learnt a harrowing lesson about the best way to cut grapes to make it safe for toddlers and little kids to eat.

When your kids have totally different temperaments

Sometimes it has felt like whiplash parenting. She perches watchfully while I vacuum; he tries to climb on and go for a ride.

How do our stress levels influence our baby?

Since having my second baby a number of people have commented on how placid, content and settled he is and, similarly, many have commented on how this is a reflection of how I am with him.

Separation anxiety isn't just for kids

Despite its prevalence, most doctors tend to be reluctant to diagnose adult patients with separation anxiety.

A charm bracelet, a boy, and my beliefs questioned

I was staring at the face of my son, realising that my once steadfast decision to be open minded was quickly unravelling at the seams.

Why I'm so grateful for Hayden Panettiere's PND honesty

There are baby steps and giant leaps forward. But there are steps backwards, too. And, oh, how they can hurt your heart.

The heartbreaking story of little Moko

The mother of 3-year-old Moko Rangitoheriri said she should have picked up on the signs. {Warning: distressing content}

Kate Beckinsale and teen daughter recreate birth photo

Kate Beckinsale has recreated her daughter Lily's birth photo, 17 years after she was born.

The adult-size stroller you'll want to test drive

It's one of the biggest baby related purchases they will make, so it makes sense that parents-to-be get a chance to road test a stroller.

Pregnancy announcement shows the reality of IVF

It's a long way from baby booties or bump shots people have become accustomed to in social media pregnancy announcements.  

Soleil Moon Frye welcomes fourth baby

"Punky Brewster" is a mom again, for the fourth time. Soleil Moon Frye announced the birth of her baby boy, Story, on Instagram Wednesday.

Mum breastfeeds baby found abandoned on the street

A woman has been praised as a "beautiful mother" after breastfeeding a baby which had been abandoned at the side of a street. 

A birth with a difference: the 'natural caesarean'

We've shared stories of gentle caesareans before, but a new video shows a new option called a 'natural caesarean'.

Baby name inspiration by music genre

If you're all about the music, then you'll need a musical name for that baby. We've got all the lists for you by music genre.

Giving effective instructions to toddlers

One of the most common errors made by parents is in how they give instructions to their children.

 
Advertisement
 

Top 5 Articles

Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

The babies who are one in 70 million

Bethani Webb was excited to find out she was pregnant, but the first time mum did not realise she was carrying four babies not one.

Cafe offers breastfeeding mums a free cup of tea

A Sydney cafe is offering breastfeeding mums free cups of tea in a bid to show support for the right of women to nurse their babies wherever they choose.

To snip or not to snip? When the decision is not clear cut

Jamie Oliver, who considered a vasectomy, is to be a father again. A fellow dad reflects on his own decision 11 years ago

Doctors stunned by rare twins born almost six weeks apart

To everyone's surprise, Kristen Miller "kept doing better each day", keeping her second baby safe.

Baby book ideas for modern parents

Before my son was born I was given a lovely baby book full of blank pages waiting to be filled with weights and heights and first words.

The adorable smile of a baby seeing his mum clearly for the first time

There is no doubt seeing their child smile for the first time is an unforgettable moment for parents everywhere.

Mum tells how toddler 'nearly hung himself' in cot mishap

When Alison Johnson put her 18-month-old Caleb down for a nap, she had no reason to believe her son was in any danger.

Babies are still switched at birth? Yes, it can happen

All my panic and tears aside, my biggest question looking back is about the kind of security measures used in the maternity ward.

Doctors slammed for taking selfie with newborn

Everyone who visits a mum in hospital in the days following childbirth wants to get a photo with the new baby.

ergoPouch Twosie Sleepsuit for winter breastfeeding

Finally, there's a way to keep warm while breastfeeding through winter.

Health check: How long does sex 'normally' last?

What to do with this information? My advice would be to try not to think about it during the throes of passion.

When breastfeeding sucks: fixing common problems

From niplash to tight boobs, biting to milk supply issues, Pinky McKay looks at common breastfeeding issues and how to solve them.

10 things I've learnt in my first six months with twins

Six months on we're all still alive, and the more we get to know each other the easier the days become.

Mum's loving kiss leaves baby fighting for life

Kirsty Carrington thought nothing of giving her newborn son a kiss, little did she know it would leave the baby fighting for life.

When doing chores is your new 'me time'

After children, 'me time' looks a little different.

Get going: 14 travel strollers for families on the move

A stroller can make or break travelling with a baby or toddler. Here are 15 great single travel stroller options.

10 ways toddlers are terrific

It always pays to remind yourself of how terrific toddlers can be - they're little like this for such a short time

 

Vintage Toys

The toys of your childhood

Take a trip down memory lane with these vinage and retro toys that you may have had in your childhood or your parent's childhood.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.