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#1 enigma

Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:04 PM

I am upset to admit this but I think I may be turning my gorgeous puppy into a big round puppy ;( I think I am feeding him too much and making him just a little fat.
So without physically seeing him what would be the ideal amount of food for a small cav x poodle x Maltese. I had him weighed a yr ago and he was 4.5kilos then. He is 2yrs old. He gets walked for at least 1hr a day and runs around all the time when out, but during the day he is a lap dog and sits and sleeps unless you play with him.
At the moment I am putting his wet food into a bowl and covering the bottom. Roughly between 150-200gms once a day. He does have access to dry food all day which some days he eats a lot and other days he doesn't. As well as access to water all day. Now for the part were I will be chastised. We have been known on the odd occasion to give him some of our tea, 2 or three small bits of chicken or steak.
What would the ideal amount of food be for him?

#2 VioletRose

Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:10 PM

The ideal amount of food is enough to keep him bright eyed and active so his weight is stable. You should be able to feel his ribs but they shouldn't stick out.
As to how much that will be, that really depends on your dog as an individual same as people.

#3 enigma

Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:12 PM

Thnks for that, I love my puppy and would hate to think I am killing him with kindness.
I will check him out when he comes back in. Had his haircut today and is not liking me at the moment lol

#4 Unatheowl

Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:37 PM

The exact amount depends upon the fact, carbohydrate and protein content of the food.  Also then the growth stage, activity level and size of your dog when it becomes an adult.  If you want to get technical there are feeding charts you could consult - probably could google them.

Like a pp said though, enough for him is what keeps him looking healthy within certain parameters.  The best person to advise you would be your vet, particular as your dog is still growing and his requirements will change.

#5 FiveAus

Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:46 PM

Take away the dry food, he doesn't need access to food all day, and some kibbles are very concentrated. Ditch the wet food, it's not that good for his teeth and just give him a small amount of kibble once a day, and something else (maybe a small piece of raw chicken) at another time of the day.

He will start to lose weight almost immediately and you can then adjust the amounts to keep his weight stable.

For reference, my Australian Shepherds who are around Border Collie size, get a raw chicken leg each morning.....this gives them a calcium and protein boost for the day, as well as cleans their teeth. Then they get 2/3 to 1 cup of high quality kibble in the evening, with a spoonful of natural yoghurt mixed in.
The two girls who tend to be a bit on the porky side get 2/3 cup, the others get 1 cup. And that's a metric measure, not a large coffee mug as my husband would like to give them.
My heaviest dog weighs around 25 kg, she is one of the ones who gets 2/3 cup, now put that in perspective with the size of your little dog.

Sometimes on the weekends, instead of kibble they get raw lamb bones for their evening meal. If they get treats through the day, they get less dinner at night.

#6 enigma

Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:50 PM

Thank you, I know it's a pretty stupid question, but I just want to make sure I am doing the right thing for him.

#7 kpingitquiet

Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:41 PM

Yeah, I'd say nixing the constant dry food access would probably help a LOT. Most dogs I've met don't self-regulate on dry food like a lot of cats do. I can't help on appropriate amounts of food for your little pup but our dogs get 350g wet food and 2 cups dry food, each, per day, and they weigh in at 28kg (the 4yo) and 30kg (the 6yo), perfect for their frames. We add a bit more when they start looking a touch thinner and subtract when they start to pudge.

#8 la di dah

Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:40 AM

The odd occasional bit of chicken/steak isn't what's making him fat, its the all day kibble.

Honestly you could give him chicken everyday and it wouldn't make him fat if the portions were right.

200 grams of wet food plus kibble seems like a lot, to me. Is it really supposed to be all that? That sounds like what my big dogs ate, though they weren't really greedy guts like some cavvies can be. Can you feel his ribs? No cavvie is ever going to look like a lean mean machine, but they should still have bones inside and not feel like a beachball.

#9 enigma

Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:45 AM

Well I put him on the scales today and omg he is nearly 6kilos!!! I had a look at the can of food and it says he should have half a tin plus a half cup of dry food a day. The tin is 440gms (my dog) to me that is far too much. I think I will go see the vet next week and ask them like someone suggested. I love my puppy but don't wan to love him to death

#10 enigma

Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:49 AM

I tried him on a chicken neck, after playing with it and carting it around ally at he then ate it but proceeded to vommit it up.  I think they were too rich for him

QUOTE (la di dah @ 17/11/2012, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The odd occasional bit of chicken/steak isn't what's making him fat, its the all day kibble.

Honestly you could give him chicken everyday and it wouldn't make him fat if the portions were right.

200 grams of wet food plus kibble seems like a lot, to me. Is it really supposed to be all that? That sounds like what my big dogs ate, though they weren't really greedy guts like some cavvies can be. Can you feel his ribs? No cavvie is ever going to look like a lean mean machine, but they should still have bones inside and not feel like a beachball.

I can feel his ribs but only of I push hard. I can't easily find them

#11 EsmeLennox

Posted 17 November 2012 - 09:51 AM

Depends a bit on the dog too, so it might be best to get advice from the vet. Weight stability is what you want to achieve. Your dog may not need as much food as recommended if it is putting on weight. Our dog, for example, eats twice the recommended amount for a dog of her size, but she is ultra skinny and active all day (read never.bloody.stops) and our vet said it was fine to feed her more because she uses it up in the sheer amount of activity every day. I walk her 5k every day, and then she still runs most of the day.

Edited by Jemstar, 17 November 2012 - 09:52 AM.

#12 la di dah

Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:05 AM

QUOTE (enigma @ 17/11/2012, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well I put him on the scales today and omg he is nearly 6kilos!!! I had a look at the can of food and it says he should have half a tin plus a half cup of dry food a day. The tin is 440gms (my dog) to me that is far too much. I think I will go see the vet next week and ask them like someone suggested. I love my puppy but don't wan to love him to death

No offense and I don't mean to sound rude but if he ate all that, your 6 kg dog would be eating as much  or more than mine that were more than twice his size. That seems  a lot of food to stuff down a small spaniel. blink.gif

Is he a puppy or an adult dog? I don't advise anything about feeding puppies as I've only had adults.

If he is an adult and you cannot easily find his ribs, he's over-fat if not over-weight. I'm glad you're on top of bringing it under control, as fat little dogs can have terrible problems with their knees and with their hearts.

#13 HerringToMarmalade

Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:06 AM

Yeah, I'd check with a vet before doing anything too drastic, especially with a mixed breed whose ideal weight may not be easily worked out just from breed averages. My maltese X weighed around 8-9kgs which the vet said was a little overweight, now she's down to 7.5kgs, larger than your dog but a good weight for her. I also leave dry food out all day. The packet says she should be eating around half a cup a day and I'd be surprised if she actually ate that much, she tends to get a few mouthfuls three or four times a day.

#14 enigma

Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:09 AM

No offence taken. I couldn't believe the amount they suggested as well. I use to buy the little tins of dog food as he was so fussy(still is) and they were 100g on the back of that they suggested feeding 1-3 tins a day(I think) so that's 300gms. He doesn't eat his dry food all day. And why we do put it out its only about 50gms.
He is just over 2yrs old. I think a trip to the vets is needed plus he needs his vaccinations done.....poor puppy lol

#15 BlueUnicorn

Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:14 AM

Can you feed him raw chicken necks?  We find our dog is much healthier eating that than when we feed him commercial dog food. Much leaner and a lot less round.  He's 5 kgs and gets 3/4 chicken necks of a night, about 100-150gr. ..or a 'my dog' sized portion if he's having commercial food. He usually eats a few pieces of the fruit we leave out for the birds of a morning, and occasionally he has leftover eggs for breaky.  He was overweight at around 6.5 kgs, when we had him on dry food and pal every night, and a lot less 'sparky'.

#16 enigma

Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:17 AM

Tried him on the chicken necks and it didn't agree with him. And he loves his fruit too lol, especially rockmelon and watermelon, but thy have to be cut up small and he likes to be hand fed them.......does he sound spoilt lol
Thank you everyone for your advice and ideas. Like I have said many times he is such a big part of the family and I would hate for anything to happen to him especially if it is because I haven't been feeding him correctly.

#17 la di dah

Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:21 AM

I know it sounds strange but if he's really weirded out about smaller portions, you can give him steamed vegetables or veggies in chicken broth, to bulk out the portion of meat. It cuts some calories without being a drastic drop in quantity. Do talk to your vet though.

What kind of food are you giving him? Some of them are not very good.

#18 wenchwitch

Posted 17 November 2012 - 10:23 AM

I would ditch the kibble and canned dog meat. I cook up a big batch of dog food at a time and portion it into ziplocks some of which I freeze. Cook rice either white or brown add some pet mince (Leonards sell it for $1.50 per kg) and a bag of frozen veggies. You can add a tbsp of vegetate too but I have never met a dogthat isn't happy to eat this.

#19 mummabear

Posted 23 November 2012 - 06:17 PM

My lovable mongrel is 7kg, and I give him 1 cup of Advance dry kibble a day, plus one of those individual foil tins of wet food (or the equivalent amount).

He is in perfect condition! original.gif Not sure if that helps any... our other dog is a Jack Russel and she gets one foil patty and about 1/4 of a cup of Advance kibbles. She can sometimes be a bit on the heavy side! But she is only about 4.5kg.

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