Jump to content

names with negative vibes from history


  • Please log in to reply
98 replies to this topic

#1 Plaxy

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

The suggestion of Drusilla on another thread made me wonder if some names just can't get past their negative vibe... This name could grow on me, like Ladidah says it has great nicknames, Dru and Cilla, and well, yes the more I think about it the more I like it... Or will it always conjure up Dracula as one PP said?

But what about names like Jezebel, Lucretia and Adolf? Could they ever conceivably be liked again or is their history too strong?

Can you think of any others like this? and what about names that were negative in history but are now current? Can't think of any myself.

I've always like Boadicea - though not  really a negative history, still I've only ever come across it used once - she is called Bodie mostly.

So, what are your thoughts about names from history?

#2 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:08 PM

Well, one name in your list is perfectly acceptable...ahem...! (Not my real name btw...)

I have a Henry....so I wasn't too concerned with the whole Henry VIII thing...I would draw the line at Adolf though...

Edited by Lucretia Borgia, 16 November 2012 - 04:09 PM.


#3 rabbit hyde

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:13 PM

Not so much the name of an actual person from history - but I've heard the name "Gypsy" used about 3 times for a baby girl in the last year or two.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume the parents weren't actually aware of the history and persecution of the Romani people and the fact that "Gyspy" is actually considered a racial slur.

It'll probably continue to be used as a lot of people aren't aware of Romani history.  But I'd say it would still be thought of negatively for those who are aware.

Edited by rabbit hyde, 16 November 2012 - 04:14 PM.


#4 la di dah

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:17 PM

Delilah's semi-current. Jezebel isn't actually doing as badly as you'd think, either. I think -bel trend helps it.

I wouldn't use either of those, but I like Drucilla (is there a Dracula connection? I know it was on Buffy but I thought the girl from Dracula was Mina?) and Lilith. Lilith is not exactly history but it's a pretty loaded name so well.

Adolf would be a no no no no from me but I'm a Jew. I've heard murmurings from other people of different backgrounds that hey, they have great-granddads by that name and it means a nice thing so can they have their name back? And I slightly sympathize but I couldn't ever contemplate it.

My mom has ancient historic beef with Isabel due to Queen Isabel I of Castile, but she is pretty lonely in that particular grudge. She was peturbed I could "even consider" Isabel/Isabella. I should see what she thinks of Drucilla, but I bet it would have to go over better than Isabel did.

Edited by la di dah, 16 November 2012 - 04:18 PM.


#5 kadoodle

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:18 PM

Isn't Drusilla one of Cinderella's ugly stepsisters?

I have a neighbour called Attilla (as in The Hun), which is a big name to dump on a little kids, IMO.

I dare say you'd give your kids just as much angst naming them Winston or Jefferson as Edward Kelly or Moriarty though.  I would call Adolf as being untouchable.

#6 Ianthe

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:19 PM

I think it depends on how many references a name has. If people only have one strong negative about a name that is reasonably cultural, then it probably isn't a great idea to use it.

Judas and Jezebel are good examples. Both lovely names but very negative. Salome is another one that I would hesitate to use for the same reason.



#7 NotBitzerMaloney

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:19 PM

The 'big bad' names like Adolf I just can't see taking off again. Ditto Judas. Just asking for trouble with those

I had a name that I always thought was fabulous for us if we had a son. Then I looked up the history of Ezra and worked out he attempted to do away with mixed marriages.... which is what DH and I have.

I decided not to jinx ourselves and picked another name!

Edited by NotBitzerMaloney, 16 November 2012 - 04:21 PM.


#8 Feral_Pooks

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:20 PM

If I had a George, his middle name wouldn't start with a W, that's for sure.

#9 la di dah

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (kadoodle @ 16/11/2012, 05:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Isn't Drusilla one of Cinderella's ugly stepsisters?

I have a neighbour called Attilla (as in The Hun), which is a big name to dump on a little kids, IMO.


I know an Attila too, but he's Magyar and its pretty common there.

Cinderella's stepsisters were Anastasia and Drizella. I know a handful of Anastasias. Even I, who like Drucilla and Zelda, am not about to mount a huge campaign in defense of Drizella.

#10 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:21 PM

QUOTE (la di dah @ 16/11/2012, 05:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My mom has ancient historic beef with Isabel due to Queen Isabel I of Castile, but she is pretty lonely in that particular grudge. She was peturbed I could "even consider" Isabel/Isabella. I should see what she thinks of Drucilla, but I bet it would have to go over better than Isabel did.


Did she start the Inquisition and/or persecute Jews living in Spain?

#11 lynneyours

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:22 PM

I said Drusilla sounds like Dracula!  But whilst I don't mind Dru/Drew, I am not a fan of Cilla.  Too long in the UK and looking at Cilla Black.

I don't think Adolf (nor possibly Osama or Saddam) are acceptable right now, although there are people who've called their child Adolf recently. I am not sure about Muslim naming habits.

I don't think Manson has good associations, nor Bundy etc

I don't think it gets much worse than Adolf though.

Jack the Ripper is obviously not a negative name now - is Jack still no 1 on the names lists? wink.gif

#12 dorkalicious

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:22 PM

I love Lilith - but whenever I've mentioned it people have always brought up the negative mythological connotations. Not sure it would stop me though....

Adolph I think is lost as a respectable name these days- its too distinctive to its historical connection....

#13 la di dah

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE (Lucretia Borgia @ 16/11/2012, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did she start the Inquisition and/or persecute Jews living in Spain?

She started the Spanish one, yes, and Torquemada was under her reign, as was the expulsion of Spain's Jews and the post-expulsion persecution of any Jews who stayed in Spain.

I know why she doesn't like it, but she gets practically offended when she hears it and I have to tell her, Mom, I don't think ANYBODY else immediately thinks of the Queen of Spain. Isabel being just a form of Elizabeth or Elisheva after all.

#14 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE (la di dah @ 16/11/2012, 05:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She started the Spanish one, yes, and Torquemada was under her reign, as was the expulsion of Spain's Jews and the post-expulsion persecution of any Jews who stayed in Spain.

I know why she doesn't like it, but she gets practically offended when she hears it and I have to tell her, Mom, I don't think ANYBODY else immediately thinks of the Queen of Spain. Isabel being just a form of Elizabeth or Elisheva after all.

She better not come to my part of Sydney then! Every second girl seems to be called Isabel, Isabella or similar ..!

#15 la di dah

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:38 PM

QUOTE (Lucretia Borgia @ 16/11/2012, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She better not come to my part of Sydney then! Every second girl seems to be called Isabel, Isabella or similar ..!

I wonder if she'd prefer if they were named Drucilla?  laugh.gif

I don't know who Cilla Black is?  blush.gif

I don't think Judas even sounds attractive, just phonetically, personally, but I am fond of Judah. A few people have told me I oughtn't use it as it sounds too much like Judas but I'm not sure I care.

#16 gravity1

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

I know of an elderly man named Adolph - he insists that everyone refer to him as 'Dolph'.

QUOTE (la di dah @ 16/11/2012, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder if she'd prefer if they were named Drucilla?  laugh.gif

I don't know who Cilla Black is?  blush.gif

I don't think Judas even sounds attractive, just phonetically, personally, but I am fond of Judah. A few people have told me I oughtn't use it as it sounds too much like Judas but I'm not sure I care.


Judah is a lovely name.

#17 NotBitzerMaloney

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

i liked Judah, but according to DH, too much like Jew-dar, as in Gay-dar. He is weird, but he does sometimes use the phrase, so...

Samson / Delilah are also no-go names for me

I'd be asking to be called Dolf, too. Poor bloke.

Edited by NotBitzerMaloney, 16 November 2012 - 04:46 PM.


#18 Cranky Kitten

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:46 PM

Vlad - I know a couple of guys named Vlad, so far they haven't shown any tendencies to impale people on pikes. I kind of like it

Judas - not sure how popular it is, don't know if I could name my son Judas even though I'm not religious.

Louis - rather a few French kings. Some were a little crazy. Not a completely unpopular name now though.

Mary - still a reasonably popular name but I always think of Bloody Mary.

#19 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:47 PM

QUOTE (la di dah @ 16/11/2012, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think Judas even sounds attractive, just phonetically, personally, but I am fond of Judah. A few people have told me I oughtn't use it as it sounds too much like Judas but I'm not sure I care.

I don't like Judas ...poor kid, can you imagine, every time he went to kiss someone they would run a way from him...

Personally I couldn't name a little girl Azaria because of the history..fairly recent history ...with that name (was there a thread about this a while back?) ...but I guess it stands out because I don't know any Azarias...it's such a distinctive name...whereas I would call a girl Madeleine ...even though, obviously, there's the Madeleine McCann connection sad.gif

#20 GoneWithTheWhinge

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

QUOTE (la di dah @ 16/11/2012, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know who Cilla Black is?  blush.gif


Think yourself very very lucky! She is highly irritating

#21 Feral Grey Mare

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:48 PM

QUOTE (la di dah @ 16/11/2012, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wonder if she'd prefer if they were named Drucilla?  laugh.gif

I don't know who Cilla Black is?  blush.gif

I don't think Judas even sounds attractive, just phonetically, personally, but I am fond of Judah. A few people have told me I oughtn't use it as it sounds too much like Judas but I'm not sure I care.


Unstoppable English singer/TV personality - probably the closest thing we have here would be Kerry-Anne Kennerley or Denise Drysdale. She wasn't a Drusilla but she was a Priscilla.

#22 MummyakaGrinch

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:53 PM

apart from the fact ( or my perception)that Adolf is an ugly name I really think thats a no go ( as someone born in germany I probably have even more negative feelings towards it)

#23 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 16 November 2012 - 04:56 PM

Would anyone do Marie-Antoinette? The two separate components of the name are quite pretty "Marie" and "Antoinette" ..but I don't know if I would go there...(I mean its moot..I'm not having anymore children!)

#24 Phasmatis angelam

Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:03 PM

Hannibal strikes me as pretty unusable too.

I'm sure there are more, but they're not coming to mind just now.

#25 greatwon2

Posted 16 November 2012 - 05:18 PM

We really loved Lenore , but decided to go the safer Eleanor in the end




1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users

 

WIN a $500 Visa debit card

Are you a parent? Simply take our survey for your chance to win a $500 pre-paid VISA debit card.

Breastfeeding doesn't make you a better mum - feeding your baby does

Given my immense dislike of Hopkins and her opinions, I was genuinely shocked to discover that last week she actually said something that I agreed with.

'Toni, another baby has died': the anguish of watching governments fail our babies

It has been six years since whooping cough claimed the life of four-week-old Dana McCaffery. Her parents are angry that lessons learnt weren't enough to save other babies.

Longer breastfeeding linked to higher IQ

A study of 3500 infants has found that babies who are breastfed grow up to be more intelligent and wealthy.

The 2015 flu vaccine: what's new, who should get it

For certain members of the community, catching flu can lead to severe illness or death. A vaccination can be lifesaving.

Dealing with a nappy escape artist

I hear about the tots that have a penchant for ripping their nappies off and the odd one that even smears the brown stuff on the walls and fine home furnishings, and I shudder.

Hospital apologises for 'traumatising' baby mix-up

St Vincent's Hospital has apologised "unreservedly" for a baby mix-up that left one new mum traumatised.

Tips for flying with a baby

Travelling with kids requires a whole other set of skills - ones that I have learned through (sometimes unfortunate) trial and error.

How to stay calm in an emergency

I’m not expecting you to be as calm as you might be right now. What I mean is that if your panic levels are through the roof during a stressful situation, let’s bring them down to just under the ceiling.

Toddler gets 'drunk' after cranberry juice mix-up

A toddler was taken to hospital after a waitress served her sangria instead of cranberry juice at a US restaurant.

We need to stop using this word when we talk about childbirth

Is it shaming to point out that women are often being let down in birth?

The certificate helping parents deal with pregnancy loss

For some people, this certificate will offer a sense of validation that their child was acknowledged as being here and now gone, and will help them with life post-loss.

Grieving families give warnings after toddler deaths

Two Queensland families are grieving the loss of their toddler sons after the boys drowned in separate incidents last week.

The phenomenon of phantom pregnancy kicks

'Phantom pregnancy kicks’ are encountered by many mums months - or even years - after their pregnancy is over.

The health insurance advice you can't afford to ignore

There's one simple switch that could save you hundreds of dollars a year in private health insurance.

4D scans show how smoking affects babies still in the womb

The harmful effects of smoking during pregnancy on unborn babies may be seen in tiny movements in their faces using 4D ultrasound scans, research has found.

How to babyproof your job interview

Once upon a time, I was a fan of job interviews. That all changed after I'd switched careers, had a baby and decided to spend the first year at home with her.

Sign up to our 30 days of #PlayIQ challenge

Sign up to receive 30 amazing tips and ideas for play with baby during the month of April and submit a picture or tip on our social wall for a chance to win an amazing Fisher-Price prize pack.

The most dangerous toddler food trends

Pete Evans' paleo cookbook for kids caused a storm, but there are plenty of other unsafe food trends for babies and toddlers.

Infection killed new mum of twins

Modern medicine could not save 19-year-old Sophie Burgess who died 48 hours after giving birth to twins in the UK.

Win a Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom prize pack

To celebrate the April 1 release of Holly's Magic Wand on DVD and Digital, we are giving away five DVD packs featuring the newest installment of Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom Holly's Magic Wand and many more hours of family entertainment! Enter Now!

Special Ticket Offer, Save $8!

The Essential Baby & Toddler Show is back this April! Save $8 off the door price for a limited time only!

 
Advertisement
 
Advertisement
 
 
 

What's hot on EB

Sign up to our 30 days of #PlayIQ challenge

Sign up to receive 30 amazing tips and ideas for play with baby during the month of April and submit a picture or tip on our social wall for a chance to win an amazing Fisher-Price prize pack.

Man faces jail after giving woman abortion pill smoothie

A Norwegian man is facing jail after putting abortion pills in his ex-girlfriend's smoothie, causing her to have a miscarriage.

'He's a blessing': family of baby born without eyes

Jordy Jackson was born without eyes. He has anophthalmia, which affects one in every 100,000 babies born.

Win one of 5 Cadbury Easter Hampers

With Easter fast approaching, Cadbury are giving away 5 Cadbury Easter Hampers. Enter Now!

Super fit model Sarah Stage defends her pregnancy body

Model Sarah Stage has defended her pregnancy body after critics claimed her slim figure at eight-and-a-half months pregnant wasn't "normal".

Win a Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom and Peppa Pig prize pack

To celebrate the April 1 release of Holly's Magic Wand on DVD and Digital, Essential Baby and Entertainment One are giving away five bumper DVD packs featuring the newest installment of Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom Holly's Magic Wand and many more hours of family entertainment! Enter Now!

Why I post breastfeeding photos online

I love to take pictures of my children. In some of the pictures, my younger son is nursing.

The day I broke my baby

There are things I wish I didn't know. I wish I didn't know that companies make tiny braces, small enough to hold necks no bigger than a wrist.

The place just for dads of multiples

When a couple discovers they're expecting multiples, the dad can sometimes be almost forgotten in all the excitement and preparation. But one group offers a space just for dads of twins and higher-order multiples.

Brave mum calls for domestic violence law reform

A brave mum of two has shared details of the harrowing attacks she suffered at the hands of her partner in a bid to help other victims of domestic violence.

Why I had the new test for Down syndrome

Early last year I turned 35, and having just found out I was pregnant, I opted to have the new test for Down syndrome.

Geeky baby gear

If your family is more into Star Wars, gaming and the periodic table than most, you might want to check out these geek-chic baby items.

2015: the year of the sheep

According to the Chinese zodiac, babies born in the year of the sheep are creative and enjoy spending quiet time with their own thoughts.

Breakthrough genetic testing now available in Australia

Pregnant women will for the first time have access to locally analysed, accurate, non-invasive pre-natal genetic testing when the first Australian clinic to offer the services opens its doors next week.

Grandbabies: the babies born looking old

Not a day under 65 and a lifetime of struggle! That's the look of these newborns, who look adorably older than their real age. Social networking site Reddit recently featured user submissions of adorable grandbabies, here are our favourites.

Family kicked off flight after toddler seatbelt drama

An entire family was kicked off a Cathay Pacific flight when a misbehaving toddler refused to put his seatbelt on.

Stolen baby found after 17 years

A baby stolen from her mother's arms shortly after birth has been found through an astonishing coincidence.

53 creative pregnancy announcements

Announcing that you're expecting can be a time to express your creativity, sense of humour and imagination. Check out how other parents and parents-to-be have broken the news to friends and family.

IKEA hacks for the nursery and kids' rooms

Are you one of those that know the whole IKEA catalogue by heart? Love their stuff but want to personalise it? Here's some inspiration to help you realise the potential of IKEA furniture and fittings.

36 baby names inspired by food and drinks

A French court may have ruled out Nutella as a baby name, but that doesn't have to stop you from taking inspiration from the supermarket (or bottle shop). See what parents in the US have chosen for their delicious little ones.

Clever breastfeeding products

Check out this range of products designed to help make your breastfeeding journey more enjoyable, manageable and convenient.

 

Sign up now!

30 days of #PlayIQ challenge

Receive a daily email from Essential Baby during April with great play tips and ideas, then submit your baby at play photos to our Playwall, Instagram or Twitter for your chance to win.

 
Advertisement
 
 
Essential Baby and Essential Kids is the place to find parenting information and parenting support relating to conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids, maternity, family budgeting, family travel, nutrition and wellbeing, family entertainment, kids entertainment, tips for the family home, child-friendly recipes and parenting. Try our pregnancy due date calculator to determine your due date, or our ovulation calculator to predict ovulation and your fertile period. Our pregnancy week by week guide shows your baby's stages of development. Access our very active mum's discussion groups in the Essential Baby forums or the Essential Kids forums to talk to mums about conception, pregnancy, birth, babies, toddlers, kids and parenting lifestyle. Essential Baby also offers a baby names database of more than 22,000 baby names, popular baby names, boys' names, girls' names and baby names advice in our baby names forum. Essential Kids features a range of free printable worksheets for kids from preschool years through to primary school years. For the latest baby clothes, maternity clothes, maternity accessories, toddler products, kids toys and kids clothing, breastfeeding and other parenting resources, check out Essential Baby and Essential Kids.