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#1 EBeditor

Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:10 PM

I think this is a brilliant move. I'm sickened by the amount of stories coming out about abuse of vulnerable children, and the resultant cover-ups by the Police and churches.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-ne...1112-29862.html

Do you think it will lead to many more convictions?

#2 happening

Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:18 PM

About time.

Everyone has long known or suspected that some organisations have systemic problems.  A Royal Commission is probably the best option to begin the process of healing.

It's just a pity our politicians had to be carried, kicking and screaming, to this action.

I hope the offenders, be they priests, scout leaders or choirmasters, are outed.  And I hope and pray the police who shielded and protected them are named, shamed and punished.


#3 Therese

Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:28 PM

I also think that this is such an important thing to happen. What I have read recently has made me feel ill.

I hope that this can be step towards healing for the victims of this abuse.

#4 FluffyOscar

Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:35 PM

This is a great thing. DH and I were just saying that an open and honest disclosure is the only thing that will save the Catholic Church.

#5 babychacha

Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:41 PM

Agree - about time. I'm amazed that its taken this long.

Yes, I think its inevitable that there will be a lot more convictions.



#6 Mumma3

Posted 12 November 2012 - 08:55 PM

I am pleased to see that this will be a wide investigation - the systemic abuse of children in various institutions needs to be publicly investigate and the perpetrators need and those who covered up for them, need to be made to face up to their actions. Those who suffered need an opportunity to say what happened, and to be believed - not told to shoosh up and go away.

I hope it will not become a political football, but that there will be wide support from all sides of politics and all states and that those states already holding their own inquiries will pass on their information and findings.



#7 Chelli

Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:28 PM

I couldn't be happier with the news, it's about time that this subject was given the action it deserves. There have been far too many instances where more could have been done and I hope that it results in vulnerable children to get some justice.

#8 AMPSyd

Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:46 PM

I think a major issue though will be the sanctity of the confessional - will priests be forced to pass on information re abuse that they received through the confessional. Cardinal Pell said that the Catholic Church will be happy to help with the commission - but (and I don't know if Pell said this or another Catholic spokeperson) that the sanctity of the confessional has to be upheld.

Though I know this Commission is far reaching and will hopefully will investigate teachers, scout leaders, priests and clergy, anyone involved with children.

#9 RedBob

Posted 13 November 2012 - 07:58 PM

I think the sanctity of the confessional stinks, quite frankly, as it puts the laws of the Catholic Church above those of the state. Particularly given that there will be priests and others who have confessed to heinous crimes, been absolved, and gone on their way.



#10 JaneDoe2010

Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:10 PM

QUOTE (BobTheKelpie @ 13/11/2012, 08:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the sanctity of the confessional stinks, quite frankly, as it puts the laws of the Catholic Church above those of the state. Particularly given that there will be priests and others who have confessed to heinous crimes, been absolved, and gone on their way.


I totally agree. It's disgusting.

#11 purplekitty

Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:25 PM

QUOTE (BobTheKelpie @ 13/11/2012, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the sanctity of the confessional stinks, quite frankly, as it puts the laws of the Catholic Church above those of the state. Particularly given that there will be priests and others who have confessed to heinous crimes, been absolved, and gone on their way.
This will be non negotiable.


#12 shine

Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:52 PM

What do you mean purolekitty? I thought he said that they would be upholding the confessional...

#13 purplekitty

Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE (shine @ 13/11/2012, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What do you mean purolekitty? I thought he said that they would be upholding the confessional...
Yes,that's what I meant. It won't be up for discussion.


#14 1/2aDozen

Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:12 PM

I think it is about time and am glad that all institutions etc are being investigated.

FYI to a PP, confessing does not automatically lead to absolution.

Edited by 1/2aDozen, 13 November 2012 - 10:13 PM.


#15 JaneDoe2010

Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:54 AM

It isn't right that religious law comes above State or Federal law. When extreme Muslims suggest Sharia Law people are aghast. Why is the Catholic Church exempt?

#16 Feral Cancerian

Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:41 AM

Another concern is the future of this Royal Commission under a possible Abbott government. I wonder if he would try to find a way to bury the whole thing.

#17 Lucrezia Borgia

Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:51 AM

s 316 of the NSW Crimes Act deals with concealing serious indictable offences such as child sexual abuse), subsection 4 states that  a prosecution for an offence under this section is not to be commenced against a person without  the approval of the Attorney General if the knowledge that an offence has been committed was formed or the information referred to was obtained by the person in the course of practising or following a profession, calling or vocation prescribed by the regulations....a priest has been so prescribed, so they cant be forced (in NSW) to give evidence about something they heard in confession unless the AG consents...the AG in NSW is a practisting catholic and is rumoured (not substantiated I dont think) to have links with Opus Dei. Interesting times.

Of course in the context of a national royal commission the NSW Crimes Act means nada....and laws may well be enacted at the national level to force priests to disclose what they heard in confession. I hope this happens, but the church will fight this vigorously i think....

ETA..yes good point CancerianMoon

Edited by Lucretia Borgia, 14 November 2012 - 06:54 AM.


#18 archygrouseferal

Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:19 AM

QUOTE (CancerianMoon @ 14/11/2012, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Another concern is the future of this Royal Commission under a possible Abbott government. I wonder if he would try to find a way to bury the whole thing.


Given the public outcry about abuse and since the Commission is covering exactly what he said he'd support, I don't think he could can it even if he was legally able to as PM (can a sitting PM cancel a Royal commission?). Nor to do him justice, do I think he would.  What will happen with any recommendations is another thing and will depend on the government of the day.  If the Commission sits for many years, who knows who will be in power?  Watered down, ignored, or implemented piecemeal?

Mandatory reporting for all institutions should happen, and penalties for failure to act, but I think Abbott would not support breaking the seal of the confessional.

#19 nano-tyrannus

Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:38 AM

QUOTE (CancerianMoon @ 14/11/2012, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Another concern is the future of this Royal Commission under a possible Abbott government. I wonder if he would try to find a way to bury the whole thing.


You do realize Abbott supported the thing before Gillard did right? You should actually be happy that labor backbenchers, the coalition and independents were able to pressure Gillard into calling it...

#20 *Caro*

Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:50 AM

I think its absolutely fantastic that a Royal Commission has been called.  It can't come soon enough.

My only concern is that the terms of reference are so broad, and it will have to cover so many institutions and instances of abuse, that I can't see it being finalised in under 10 years.  That is a long time for people to wait for outcomes.

#21 CFE81

Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:32 AM

Out of the Wood Royal Commission into police corruption, there was an aspect where the police were protecting paedophiles who were involved in drugs.  Glen McNamara wrote a book "Dirty Work" about it - its a harrowing read, certainly not for the faitn hearted.

#22 Freddie'sMum

Posted 14 November 2012 - 11:15 AM

I'm hoping it helps the victims tell their stories about what happened to them and it punishes the criminals to the full extent of the law.



#23 Bkrsdzn+1

Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:36 PM

QUOTE (Lucretia Borgia @ 14/11/2012, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
..the AG in NSW is a practisting catholic and is rumoured (not substantiated I dont think) to have links with Opus Dei. Interesting times.


biggrin.gif   biggrin.gif  Me thinks you've been reading to much Dan Brown!! What exactly do you think Opus Dei is?

#24 Bkrsdzn+1

Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:44 PM

I think the fact that so many people seem to think that high up Catholics will have a problem with the commission and try to stop it, further shows the media bias, I would probably think that too if my only source of information was the media. The fact is that Catholics of all levels are happy about the royal commission because, while it will most certainly reveal the dismal practices of the past, it will also show the successful steps taken in the last 20 or so years to improve the safety of children and to get rid of the offenders.

#25 katniss

Posted 14 November 2012 - 04:14 PM

QUOTE (Shell14 @ 14/11/2012, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the fact that so many people seem to think that high up Catholics will have a problem with the commission and try to stop it, further shows the media bias, I would probably think that too if my only source of information was the media. The fact is that Catholics of all levels are happy about the royal commission because, while it will most certainly reveal the dismal practices of the past, it will also show the successful steps taken in the last 20 or so years to improve the safety of children and to get rid of the offenders.


I hope so! And I hope they don't hide behind confessionals. If they truly want to get to the bottom of this and change their public perception, they need to hand over ALL information they have.




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