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#1 in a minute

Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:37 PM

I have rang centrelink & they just confused me even more lol .

My nearly 17 yr old has just left school in Yr 11 after she decided she didn't want to continue onto Yr 12 . She has just started a casual job( hopefully after the trial period , she will go part time or fulltime ) she is also applying for fulltime work  & so I rang them today to let them know that she has left school & so my family assistance could be  stopped , I don't want a debt . I am on a Carer's pension for another one of my children & I guessed I just assumed as she has just started casual work they would put her on Youth allowance & she would just have to declare her income & once she earned so much she wouldn't be paid , the guy I spoke to said this isn't the case .

Is this info correct , she would be entitled to zero ? Or should I take her in & apply for Youth allowance ?

**Updated daughters work situation post #24 not claiming Youth Allowance or Family Assistance **.

Edited by in a minute, 15 November 2012 - 06:37 PM.


#2 Feral Becky

Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:46 PM

I don't see why the guy at Centrelink was wrong.

As I understand it, Youth Allowance is for teens at high school whos parents are on very low incomes or uni students who have moved out of home.

I was under the impression that the law states that a kid is not allowed to leave school until the end of the year they turn 17, so is your teen 17 this year or next?


If I am wrong other posters please correct me.

#3 mitty82

Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

They have changed it all and Im not sure the rules now. When i was a teen I could ineffect apply for the dole when i left school. I applied but got a job the very nxt day.
These days they have to be earning or learning.

#4 Batmansunderpants

Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

http://www.humanservices.gov.au/customer/s...youth-allowance

It appears she would need to have her school certificate or equivalent to be eligible, or be undertaking suitable training.

Edited by Miss Cookie, 12 November 2012 - 04:52 PM.


#5 Let_it_Rain

Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

I don't see that she would be eligible:

You may be able to get Youth Allowance if you are:

                
  • 16 to 21 years old and looking for full-time  work or undertaking approved activities. If you do not have a Year 12  Certificate or equivalent qualification (Certificate Level II or above),  you will have to undertake study or training in order to qualify for  Youth Allowance
  • 18 to 24 years old and studying full-time
  • 16 to 24 years old and undertaking a full-time Australian apprenticeship


#6 LoudMuffin

Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE
I was under the impression that the law states that a kid is not allowed  to leave school until the end of the year they turn 17, so is your teen  17 this year or next?


I don't know about this, my brother was expelled from his school in year 9 and just never went back. Not sure what happened centrelink wise but I don't think anyone got in trouble for it being illegal.

Can you try to encourage DD to get into an apprenticeship or traineeship? She's a good age for it if she's determined to leave. My brother definitely regrets not getting a trade or certification. Even though he basically lucked into a decent paying job now he spent a lot of years where his lack of schooling restricted that sort of opportunity.

#7 Feral Becky

Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:57 PM

QUOTE (SugarMumma @ 12/11/2012, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know about this, my brother was expelled from his school in year 9 and just never went back. Not sure what happened centrelink wise but I don't think anyone got in trouble for it being illegal.



Oops, I meant to add unless they have a  job or approved study.

#8 steppy

Posted 12 November 2012 - 04:59 PM

Technically it's illegal in reality nobody enforces it. My stepdaughter dumped school at age 16 and just continued getting youth allowance, but she had already qualified for independent youth allowance before that.

If your child is living at home it may be a lot harder to get youth allowance. It is more likely that you will continue to be paid FTB for that child.

Edited by steppy, 12 November 2012 - 05:00 PM.


#9 Let_it_Rain

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:00 PM

QUOTE (SugarMumma @ 12/11/2012, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know about this, my brother was expelled from his school in year 9 and just never went back. Not sure what happened centrelink wise but I don't think anyone got in trouble for it being illegal.


They recently upped the age and (I think) did away with the school certificate qualification, so there is just the HSC (NSW).

(Off topic) Silly idea I think, since you are keeping people who don't want to be there in school to the detriment of those that do.

#10 in a minute

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:02 PM

Thanks everyone , I'm having trouble getting onto the centrelink site & it has been offline this afternoon for me .

She had a meeting with the careers adviser at school & the school principal , she is allowed to leave school now legally & has officially been signed out . She turns 17 in Jan 2013 . She is working , just started today casually . I have tried to encourage all her options & at this stage she doesn't want to study  , so I have encouraged her to get her resume done & to apply for every thing she can . She is trying to get full time work & hopefully this job earns her more hours or she can find a 2nd part time casual job . She wants to work .

I was just confused with the changes that are going ahead with youth/ family .  

Thanks for your help original.gif

#11 protart roflcoptor

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:04 PM

I second trying to steer her towards a traineeship. Very young to be leaving school and going into casual employment. Have you tried all avenues to keep her at school. There are so many alternative pathways these days that would still give her her leaving certificate.



#12 LoudMuffin

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:05 PM

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(Off topic) Silly idea I think, since you are keeping people who don't  want to be there in school to the detriment of those that do.


I agree, but there are schools offering much more job skill training these days I would have thought the amount of early leavers would have decreased. I wish they had it when I was at school.

#13 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:11 PM

My son left school about 5 weeks before his 17th birthday.  It was most definitely followed up by the school and District Office.

I would not assume she can just leave school with no followup.  She doesn't appear to qualify for YA either.

#14 ♥Rumpelstiltskin♥

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:15 PM

What are you suppose to do when you have a child that is finishing up year 10 and doesn't want to go back to school next year... And is determined not to go back .... Is not interested at all ... I don't see the point in forcing them when they are not interested....

#15 in a minute

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:16 PM

The school & I have done everything & offered her all sorts of ideas to keep her at school , she doesn't want to be there & really makes it harder on the kids who do want to be there . DD was wasting everyone's time , she wants to work & I & the school couldn't reason with her .

I'm trying to support her decisions , but its hard . She is a bright girl who could of done well at school if she had wanted to be there . I personally find it very frustrating & I offered her all sorts of bribes & lots of threats , but in the end she is very stubborn  & on advise from the school , supporting her with getting a job seemed the best option . The next step would have been them suspending her . What was I to do , teenagers are a whole new ball game .

I'm hoping as she matures a bit more she will see for herself , that qualifications & studying something she enjoys will open up a lot more doors , but at this stage she wants to work .

Teens are very stressful , give me a baby or toddler any day !

#16 Feral Becky

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:19 PM

QUOTE (♥~Purple-Bliss~♥ @ 12/11/2012, 06:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What are you suppose to do when you have a child that is finishing up year 10 and doesn't want to go back to school next year... And is determined not to go back .... Is not interested at all ... I don't see the point in forcing them when they are not interested....



There are so many options for kids in Years 11 and 12 these days.

There is the straight academic route, there is a lighter academic route where kids can still go to uni (not all courses but definitely teaching, nursing)
There are kids in Year 11 and 12 doing TAFE apprenticeships and going to school one day a week, there are kids doing workplace learning -like tradies assistants and going to school one day a week.
Then there are kids who are SN still staying till Year 12.

I am so opposed to kids leaving school at Year 10. At any rate they are compeeing with kids who have finished Year 12.

OP, if you want I will start a spinoff on this

#17 Feral Becky

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE (Balzac @ 12/11/2012, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My son left school about 5 weeks before his 17th birthday.  It was most definitely followed up by the school and District Office.

I would not assume she can just leave school with no followup.  She doesn't appear to qualify for YA either.


Friends DS left school in the year he turned 17 and to say he was hounded by the District Office is an understatement. He had to continually show payslips etc. My friend was OK with that BTW, otherwise he would have bummed around.


#18 steppy

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:22 PM

QUOTE (Balzac @ 12/11/2012, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My son left school about 5 weeks before his 17th birthday.  It was most definitely followed up by the school and District Office.

I would not assume she can just leave school with no followup.  She doesn't appear to qualify for YA either.


So they followed it up. What did they do about it though? Did he go back to school?

SD16 just did whatever she wanted and continued to be given YA and everything.

Edited by steppy, 12 November 2012 - 05:23 PM.


#19 in a minute

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:31 PM

QUOTE (LindsayMK @ 12/11/2012, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are so many options for kids in Years 11 and 12 these days.

There is the straight academic route, there is a lighter academic route where kids can still go to uni (not all courses but definitely teaching, nursing)
There are kids in Year 11 and 12 doing TAFE apprenticeships and going to school one day a week, there are kids doing workplace learning -like tradies assistants and going to school one day a week.
Then there are kids who are SN still staying till Year 12.

I am so opposed to kids leaving school at Year 10. At any rate they are compeeing with kids who have finished Year 12.

OP, if you want I will start a spinoff on this


I don't mind a spin off being started original.gif

I haven't been contacted by the district office & if I am I will explain everything . I contacted centrelink & let them know she has signed out of school & her age & my family assistance stopped for her , so legally I have let them know everything . If they need to see payslips & to discuss more options with her , well she wants to grow up quick & work , she will need to deal with this to . Might be a bigger kick up the bum she needs original.gif

#20 LoudMuffin

Posted 12 November 2012 - 05:34 PM

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I'm trying to support her decisions , but its hard . She is a bright  girl who could of done well at school if she had wanted to be there . I  personally find it very frustrating & I offered her all sorts of  bribes & lots of threats , but in the end she is very stubborn   & on advise from the school , supporting her with getting a job  seemed the best option . The next step would have been them suspending  her . What was I to do , teenagers are a whole new ball game .


My bold, it sounds like you are doing everything you can and while she might not appreciate it now chances are she will as she gets older even though she chose not to take the advice, at least she will know you cared enough to give it which is much more than some kids get that's for sure.

She might change her mind, she might not and when it comes down to either support them or run the risk of losing them sometimes you have to let them make their own choices good or bad. I hope it works out ok for her, it's never too late to change direction just a little more difficult.

#21 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (steppy @ 12/11/2012, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So they followed it up. What did they do about it though? Did he go back to school?

SD16 just did whatever she wanted and continued to be given YA and everything.



No he left school for good reason and is now doing Adult Tertiary Prep at TAFE.  I cannot be a*sed digging out the lovely letter they sent us but it most definitely threatened me with consequences along the lines of magistrates court and fines.  I also live in one of the income managed areas and I would expect that Centrelink would have been chatting to me about his 'truancy'.  

I did nothing and ignored it and he turned 17 and life went on.  If it had not been a matter of a few weeks I would have gone down the pathway of getting an exemption.  Which it sounds like the OP has done.

#22 Acidulous Osprey

Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:10 PM

QUOTE (LindsayMK @ 12/11/2012, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Friends DS left school in the year he turned 17 and to say he was hounded by the District Office is an understatement. He had to continually show payslips etc. My friend was OK with that BTW, otherwise he would have bummed around.



A friend of mine's child completed her OP at 15, wanted a break from studying so did not go to uni the next year.  They got a visit from the truancy officer as the school principal considered she should still be attending school.

Just because some of us have anecdata that nothing is ever done, doesn't mean that some of us are wrong when we say this can get ridiculous.

#23 Feral Becky

Posted 12 November 2012 - 06:13 PM

ahhh this explains it all.

In WA, where I am it is the END of the year the kids turn 17. In NSW and Vic it is when they turn 17.

http://www.acara.edu.au/reporting/national...structures.html

others can check also

#24 in a minute

Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:28 PM

Just thought I would update , after working twice this week my daughters employer offered my daughter a 25 hour week contract , which is a bit better than being casual & on call . She is hoping that more hours will show that she is willing to work full time & they offer her a fulltime contract . She signs it tomorrow .

Edited by in a minute, 15 November 2012 - 06:35 PM.





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