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#1 Mrs Dinosaurus

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:28 AM

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Is 50 and 65 respectively too old to be parents again?

#2 lafonda

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:33 AM

Same answer as always from me. Yes.

#3 EssentialBludger

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:36 AM

Yes. ph34r.gif

I once dated a guy who's dad was in his 80's (we were 18/19). It really affected him.

#4 Feral_Pooks

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:42 AM

No. And congratulations to him and David.

#5 Ianthe

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:47 AM

I think when you can access the kind of support that much money can buy, then it isn't too old.

#6 Mrs Dinosaurus

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:48 AM

QUOTE (Pooks_ @ 12/11/2012, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No. And congratulations to him and David.


Why?

I'm not arguing btw just wondering what your reasons are for thinking this.


#7 idignantlyright

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:50 AM

QUOTE (Pooks_ @ 12/11/2012, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No. And congratulations to him and David.

Ditto.

QUOTE (Dinosaurus @ 12/11/2012, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why?

I'm not arguing btw just wondering what your reasons are for thinking this.

Would you be asking the same question if a mum here on EB said she was 50 and having another child?

#8 la di dah

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:50 AM

No. Congrats to them both. Their pensions may struggle but with wise management I'm sure they can cover the costs of a second child even in those tumultuous teenage years.

#9 Feral_Pooks

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:52 AM

QUOTE (Dinosaurus @ 12/11/2012, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why?

I'm not arguing btw just wondering what your reasons are for thinking this.


I know lots of people raised by grandparents and the age thing was never a factor, they were loved and had great upbringings. I have a couple of friends with older dads who were also awesome.

You can be a great or rotten parent any age, really. The age thing isn't a thing in and of itself, IMHO.

Elton and David are a lovely couple with lots of love to give. I don't feel anything but happiness for them and the child.

#10 CallMeFeral

Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:59 AM

Meh. In this case, it's not like the kid's going to have a normal life anyway, and financially he'll be set up for life and want for nothing, ever. I'd say in that situation that age is fine.

#11 idignantlyright

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:02 AM

Define normal though.

#12 Halp

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:03 AM

Congratulations to them!

I don't think it is too old. Considering the option is to have old parents or not be alive at all then I know what I would pick.

Life is never perfect, where you end up is a lottery - old parents, young, rich, poor, Australia, Africa, two mums, two dads, one of each, single parent, lots of extended family, no extended family, siblings or not... I mean just being alive is lucky, having people who love you is lucky, being born into a first world country is lucky. This child has a lot to be thankful for, I think people need to focus on the positives. Seems odd to wish a child away due to something like age.

Edited by Halp, 12 November 2012 - 10:04 AM.


#13 PigNewton

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:04 AM

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Would you be asking the same question if a mum here on EB said she was 50 and having another child?

Different scenario. Unless Elton or David are carrying and giving birth to the child, then it would be a reasonable comparison. As it is, I very much doubt that their surrogate is 50. FWIW both of my grandfathers fathered children at 50 or older.
And no, I don't think they're too old.

Edited by redkris, 12 November 2012 - 10:15 AM.


#14 Mrs Dinosaurus

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:04 AM

QUOTE (idignantlyright @ 12/11/2012, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ditto.


Would you be asking the same question if a mum here on EB said she was 50 and having another child?


Yes, their gender is irrelevant - it's merely the age, the fact that their children will almost certainly be young when they die. I know there are lots of great parents and careers at different ages, the question (for me) is merely about age.

Yes - bucketloads of cash would help, but it doesn't keep you alive.

#15 MrsLexiK

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:21 AM

QUOTE (EssentialBludger @ 12/11/2012, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes. ph34r.gif

I once dated a guy who's dad was in his 80's (we were 18/19). It really affected him.


I know some people whose father was as old as my grandparents.  I know embrassement was a problem.

I think it is very different to being brought up by your grandparent.  I am dealing with old age with my grand parents now.  My parents are struggling to deal with that and they are in their 40's an 50's.  I don't know how I would go if I was a teen or young 20 yr old and this was happening.

#16 Mrs Dinosaurus

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:22 AM

To clarify - I don't have a position on this myself, I lean towards it being great for the kids of Elton and David, maybe not so great for my friends Dad's second family in the same position - he is now 64 and has 8 children, 4 adults and 4 ranging in age from 1 - 6.

The reason I ask and think it's newsworthy is that *we* seem to have an almost God-like idolisation of celebrities (rather than academics, scientists and other Nobel prize winners wink.gif)

When Madonna looks younger in her 60's than she did in her 30's and is adopting children, Elton John is at retirement age and is having a second child, Collette Dinnegan is 47 and has just had her first - it gives both the public impression that you can have kids whenever you want (despite the plethora of articles to the contrary earlier this year) and also gives the impression that having kids in your 50's and 60's is fine when in reality celebrities have a lot of help and money that *we* don't have.

As a feminist who had children later than I would have liked with a (slightly) older man, I also worry that articles like this are encouraging men to think they have 'forever' to have kids and women to also think they can wait, 'just have IVF' or 'just adopt'. I have friends who adopted, it was a long, hard, expensive process and extremely invasive. I don't doubt these celebrities love of their kids (or anyone's actually) but wonder if just as plastic surgery has become very normalised, will having children much older become part of the normal? Obviously this is a problem for me since I need the next generation to fund my retirement laughing2.gif But it is also a problem for those kids who wont have grandparents around for themselves or their own children. Who's going to tell them they are doing it wrong?

Seriously, what do you think?

#17 steppy

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:23 AM

Not when you have that much money.

#18 Feral Grey Mare

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:31 AM

QUOTE (Halp @ 12/11/2012, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Congratulations to them!

I don't think it is too old. Considering the option is to have old parents or not be alive at all then I know what I would pick.

Life is never perfect, where you end up is a lottery - old parents, young, rich, poor, Australia, Africa, two mums, two dads, one of each, single parent, lots of extended family, no extended family, siblings or not... I mean just being alive is lucky, having people who love you is lucky, being born into a first world country is lucky. This child has a lot to be thankful for, I think people need to focus on the positives. Seems odd to wish a child away due to something like age.



Hear, hear!

#19 Soontobegran

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:32 AM

That is wonderful and no it is not too old. I don't think being older necessarily means you will be a bad parent just as I don't think being young will make you a good one.
They have access to all sorts of support that most older parents and grandparents raising their children have.
David is 50 and Elton seems pretty fit, there is no reason to think they won't be around for the next 30 years.



#20 kelbelblue

Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:38 AM

Yes, it is to old, but luckily they've got mega wads of cash, so, like most celebrities/extremely wealthy, there don't seem to be any limitations on what they can do.
Gender doesn't come into this from my point of view.

#21 SnazzyFeral

Posted 12 November 2012 - 11:02 AM


i am glad they are having a second child. If this were the first I would think it a bit too old but at least when they die the children will have each other.

My father at 52 had my little sister and he says he was too old now because he was looking to retire in a few years and now can't afford it. His health is starting to get bad just due to age and he knows that it is ulikely that he will live to see my sister grow up and have children of her own and that makes him sad. He thinks he will have to work untill he dies or gets to sick to work so that all those dreams he had of travel and just chilling out at the end of his life are also gone and he worries about what will happen if he gets oldtimers and my little sister will have to look after him. He is afraid that by having her so late he has given her a hard road to travel. Or maybe he will live way longer than anyone else in the family and he will healthy as a horse, who knows

#22 Feral Madam Mim

Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:35 PM

Personally yes I feel it is too old, but hey I am sure they know what they are doing, what they are in for, if they think they can do it then who am I to say they are too old.

#23 EBeditor

Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:41 PM

Madonna is 54 and Collette Dinnigan had her second baby at 47. Her first daughter, Estella, is now 8.

Hey, I am paid to know this stuff!

#24 HeroOfCanton

Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:46 PM

QUOTE (Ianthe @ 12/11/2012, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think when you can access the kind of support that much money can buy, then it isn't too old.

This.

Congratulations to them original.gif

#25 casime

Posted 12 November 2012 - 12:57 PM

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Yes, their gender is irrelevant - it's merely the age, the fact that their children will almost certainly be young when they die.


By that logic, no one should have children in case they die young.   My mother was only 42 when she died.  She she have not had me, just in case she didn't make it to some magical figure of being "old enough"?   Elton and David may live until they are 110.   They may die next week.   No one has a crystal ball to look in to the future.  

There are many, many things in this world to get your knickers in a twist over.  A celebrity having a baby past the age some people deem to be acceptable is not one of them.




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