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#1 lovepink

Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:36 PM

We have been planning, researching the perfect pet for us ... Now we.are after opinions/experiences from people who.have cavoodles and japoodles ... Photos would be great too! Thanks original.gif

#2 kadoodle

Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:39 PM

I would not say such things if I were you. wink.gif

#3 Steggles

Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:40 PM

Hi, you're new here right?  cool.gif

#4 noi'mnot

Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:44 PM

I've never even heard of a Japoodle!

OP, there are massive issues with these cross-bred dogs. Irreputable "breeders", no way of knowing what they'll turn out like, health problems, etc. Somebody who knows lots more about these things will be in here shortly to tell you all about it, I'm sure. Basically, the consensus will be Not A Good Idea.

But, if you let us all know what you'd like in your ideal pet and what your circumstances are, I'm sure that you will have plenty of suggestions of fantastic animals that might suit you. Poodles are great! original.gif

#5 Liadan

Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:47 PM

QUOTE (Steggles @ 03/10/2012, 08:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi, you're new here right?  cool.gif


I was going to say that!!

japoodle? japanese spitz x poodle?

#6 Starletta

Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:47 PM

What in gods name is a Japoodle?!

#7 noi'mnot

Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:50 PM

QUOTE (Liadan @ 03/10/2012, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
japoodle? japanese spitz x poodle?



I guess so... maybe?

Edited by noi'mnot, 03 October 2012 - 08:51 PM.


#8 spitzmum

Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:52 PM

I wouldn't recommend the japoodle - you take the high energy of a poodle, then add to that the independent head strong nature of the spitz and you've got a dog that will need 4-5 hrs of exercise and training per day. I have a jap spitz and my neighbour has a japoodle - they are a working family and this dog is a pet - no obedience club, no dog sports - and they are at their wits end to try and keep the dog occupied and happy (that is, not exhibiting destructive behaviours). My JS does at least an hr of training (both mental and physical) a day to keep her happy.

Also - are you ok with barking? JS bark A LOT (the reason the breed isn't popular in Japan where most live in city high rises) and the japoodle we know is a chronic barker.

One final thing - be careful with coats - the 2 foundation breeds have VERY different styles of coats - you might end up with a JS coat (which will require brushing correctly and a snow storm once or twice a year). A poodle coat requires clipping every 6-8 wks (a groomer will charge between $40-60). Or you could get something in between - that may require both and can be very uncomfortable for the dog.

What personality characteristics are you after?

It is difficult to pick temperament and personality with cross breeds but much easier with pure breds (though many cross breeds can be picked up relatively cheaply from the Trading Post etc)



#9 spitzmum

Posted 03 October 2012 - 08:53 PM

QUOTE (noi'mnot @ 03/10/2012, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess so... maybe?

Yep - a friend who is a groomer dreads when someone books in one - she's never met one of a good temperament and quality coat - it's usually the worst of each!

#10 JKTMum

Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:04 PM

Cavoodles can be vastly different in temperament, traits and looks. I know someone who had two, one was quite aggressive, destructive and a digger (escaped when he could) the other very jumpy and nervous. The aggressive one they had to rehome as their kids couldnt even go out into the backyard, they were too scared of the dog (it never bit, but it would fight aggressively with the other dog and jump constantly on the kids). They both grew much larger than they thought too.

#11 pyramidsong

Posted 03 October 2012 - 09:13 PM

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Sigh. OP, please, please google "designer crossbreeds" and "puppy farms".

"Oodle" dogs (any other than actual poodles) are just ridiculously expensive mutts. And nine times out of ten they are the result of cruel and exploitative puppy farming. Regardless of how "nice" the breeder seems or what crap they spin.

#12 lovepink

Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:46 PM

This was my first time posting in the pets section...i didnt realise my post could cause an issue.

Thank you to spitzmum for posting so honestly. The cavoodle is our first choice. Wish i could get a king charles cavalier but its mot an option.

I wont be posting here again.

#13 la di dah

Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:00 PM

QUOTE (lovepink @ 03/10/2012, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you to spitzmum for posting so honestly. The cavoodle is our first choice. Wish i could get a king charles cavalier but its mot an option.


Can I ask why? If it's not an option, I don't think a cross-breed puppy that can throw cavvie genes is a safe idea, honestly, for long-term happiness for you and the dog. Maybe safer just to get a well-bred poodle and know that you're not going to get spaniel coat.

My MIL has a shih tzu-poodle cross, it is BIGGER than she was told it would get (indeed, bigger than a toy poodle or a shih-tzu) it does have more of a shih tzu coat, and it isn't less oily or less smelly like she was promised it would be. He's a nice enough... mid-size furry mongrel dog.

Not trying to be rude, just letting you know. Cavoodles don't breed true so you could get any combination of traits, and because established quality breeders don't breed crosses, you're at risk for both of the particular parents having all sorts of sad (sometimes congenital) health issues.  sad.gif

#14 pyramidsong

Posted 03 October 2012 - 11:01 PM

QUOTE (Freakypet @ 03/10/2012, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I don't understand OP - no one was mean, we were just asking if you were aware of the issues of 'oodle' cross breeds and that if you like, let us know what it is you were looking for in a dog and we could help by suggesting a breed that would suit.

Unfortunatley, many people are not aware of the con that is 'Designer Dogs' original.gif so education is always key in these sorts of situations.

Seriously though, can I ask why those particular cross breeds in particular? original.gif


Exactly this. No-one was attacking you, but many of us work in animal welfare or animal rights, and it is incredibly frustrating when the general public still aren't informed about puppy farming, or they are and just don't care because they have their heart set on a "breed" that doesn't technically exist and is usually the product of cruelty.

So we were trying to help you understand why your question/desire is problematic. We would be happy to help you find alternatives.



#15 *Ker*

Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:19 AM

No one actually WAS mean, but I still think you should join Animal Lib Vic or somewhere and go on a puppy farm rescue/raid. Then you'd see why I, and others, are so passionately against bred-for-profit cross bred mongrels. I don't have a problem with mutts. I have one purebred and one I-don't-know-what, because she's a poundie. What I saw in a puppy farm would make your eyes cross and your toes curl.

Why is a cavvie not an option? If it's allergies, chances are, you'll get allergies with a cross bred mutt. If it's dropping hair, chances are your mutt will do that too. If it's price - you can get a well-bred cavvy for the same price or LESS as a cross bred mutt.

And I have a Spitz - not a Jap spitz, but Spitzes are similar in temperament. If you do not like barking, DO NOT GET A SPITZ. Mine could bark for the Australian Dog Olympics. If you don't like high energy, DO NOT GET A SPITZ. If you don't like toy chewing even when they're THREE, DO NOT GET A SPITZ. If you don't like brushing the crap out of a coat insanely during coat blow season, DO NOT GET A SPITZ. If you don't like your backyard decorated with fur, DO NOT GET A SPITZ.

I love my dog madly, but her breed is not for everyone. She's high energy, she chews EVERYTHING, she barks like a lunatic (and often when she's inside at like 4am) and she's blowing coat at the moment. While the birds I'm sure love her fur, me not so much. Most Spitz sre highly intelligent. I got the dropped-on-her-head one, cause she's seriously dumb, but most are really smart. Smarter than most humans, which means smarter than most owners.

Just. Don't. Do. It.


#16 CallMeFeral

Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:29 AM

Wow. I thought everyone had been quite nice.


#17 *Ker*

Posted 04 October 2012 - 01:09 AM

QUOTE (Freakypet @ 04/10/2012, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey, this is me, I'm always nice!! biggrin.gif


I'm not  roll2.gif But I actually WAS nice here!


#18 AMPSyd

Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:37 AM

I once went to a pet store and was amazed at the crazy prices they charge for these oodles.

We bought our beautiful Cavvie from a reputable breeder for much, much less than what a pet store was charging. She is a fantastic dog.

Get the pure bred dog, not an oodle.

#19 ~Delilah~

Posted 04 October 2012 - 07:29 AM

QUOTE (Madame Catty @ 04/10/2012, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah me too.  Perhaps EB has given us a warped perception of 'nice'?  biggrin.gif


Not directed at you personally MC and at the risk of being flamed, this is my pov from what I have observed. The pet forum is known as being a place to  not ask about "designer" dogs by regular members. Its right up there with circumcision, breast/bottle feeding and homebirthing  biggrin.gif You only go there if you have a kevlar suit. Newbies don't know that. It should say something that I was reluctant to even post this as I know I'm going to get flamed but I know  you are all so passionate about this topic that you want to get your point across to save innocent dogs (one I completely agree with). I'm posting to say, I don't think the information is getting communicated to the audience effectively.

While none of you scare me  tongue.gif  and I am always grateful for the advice when I ask questions, I'm also very aware of what not to post. I have a "cavoodle" but always refer to him as a cavy poodle x on this form because cavoodle makes people see red. I know its not a breed but a brand name. People here refer to designer dogs as mongrels or mutts. In the doggy word this is the correct vernacular, but in the everyday world, those words are insults i.e Campbell Newman is a mongrel b*st*rd. So when a newbie posts asking about a dog and get told their choice is an insult, well that doesn't come across as nice.

I usually feel the need to qualify how I came to get my cavy poodle x. I didn't get him from a BYB or a puppy farm but he also didn't come from a rescue either (the only saving grace for owning a x-oodle). I got him from our neighbours who were negligent in their pet ownership and didn't get their girl desexed. The dog next door to them jumped the fence when she came into heat and, surprise surprise, there was a result.

I fully acknowledge my boy is a fluke. He is everything good about both breeds. His only downside can be attributed to the designer label in he doesn't "do" wet grass  laugh.gif. I wasn't a dog person before we got him. He was for the kids not me but I have fallen so much in love with him, and subsequently dogs in general,  that I now say hello to dogs I previously would have crossed the street to avoid. Staffy's and their like are still a challenge for me (Childhood trauma of being attacked by one) but I'm working on it. Our next dog was/is a purebred direct from a legitimate breeder. She is gorgeous too but I wub.gif my boy.

Edited by ~Delilah~, 04 October 2012 - 07:30 AM.


#20 spitzmum

Posted 04 October 2012 - 08:28 AM

QUOTE (*Ker* @ 04/10/2012, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I have a Spitz - not a Jap spitz, but Spitzes are similar in temperament. If you do not like barking, DO NOT GET A SPITZ. Mine could bark for the Australian Dog Olympics. If you don't like high energy, DO NOT GET A SPITZ. If you don't like toy chewing even when they're THREE, DO NOT GET A SPITZ. If you don't like brushing the crap out of a coat insanely during coat blow season, DO NOT GET A SPITZ. If you don't like your backyard decorated with fur, DO NOT GET A SPITZ.

I love my dog madly, but her breed is not for everyone. She's high energy, she chews EVERYTHING, she barks like a lunatic (and often when she's inside at like 4am) and she's blowing coat at the moment. While the birds I'm sure love her fur, me not so much. Most Spitz sre highly intelligent. I got the dropped-on-her-head one, cause she's seriously dumb, but most are really smart. Smarter than most humans, which means smarter than most owners.

Just. Don't. Do. It.


So true Ker!  Love my girl to bits - but some days I am too tired to outsmart her - she walks around with a very smug look on her face and in her posture on those days laughing2.gif

OP - all the posters here really care for dogs, and unfortunately many have seen the side effects of cross-breeding gone terribly wrong.  

The biggest difference I can point out to most pet owners is that in 99% of cases, whoever sells you a cross-breed dog will not:
  * take questions from the new owner
  * disclose to you health issues with the parents (or even health test the parents - hips, eyes, patellas, allergies etc)
  * offer you any support in the way of raising, training or grooming your dog

Whereas all the reputable registered pure bred breeders will do this as a matter of course - they will want to keep in touch to know how the puppy is doing - and if anything does go wrong (temperament or health wise) - be genuinely interested to know about the issue.

As an example, my JS girl came from perfectly clear lineage for the last 4 generations in terms of luxating patella (common in small breeds) - the last case of known problems was 6 generations ago!  But she's come down with a problem and her breeder was all too keen to help us get her assessed at a specialist vet and investigate whether any other puppies from either parent had a problem to try and figure out how she got the unlucky genetic straw.  

Best of luck in your search for the best dog to suit you, your family and your budget original.gif

#21 Feral*Spikey*

Posted 04 October 2012 - 09:55 AM

QUOTE (lovepink @ 03/10/2012, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We have been planning, researching the perfect pet for us ... Now we.are after opinions/experiences from people who.have cavoodles and japoodles ... Photos would be great too! Thanks original.gif


Why don't you get one from a shelter - about a third of the price, and you'll get it desexed, microchipped, etc already. It will come with the same health guarantees as one you get from a puppymill, back yard breeder or petshop (because that's where it will have originally come from), but you will be able to check out stuff like whether it barks a lot, and its coat and get the truth about the dog, as opposed to the sales pitch you'd be getting from the other 'sources' of cross-breeds.

Pet Rescue Dog listings

And I thought you were all playing very nice, but perhaps the OP is sensitive about the Oscar's Law website and feels that is critical of her choice.

(and another spitz owner who is glad her neighbours are a goodly distance way - and the snow drifts of fur at the moment are sending the nesting bird population into a frenzy)

#22 Feral Becky

Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:06 AM

I told our vet that we were looking at getting a cavalier and she suggested a cavoodle!

We actually got a rehomed bichon cross, who is the apple of our eye.The shelter wouldn't let me have a dog, but that is another story.

#23 josh2003

Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:36 AM

We're a bit the same as ~Delilah~. My husband came home with our maltese x poodle (she was for sale near my husband's work) and she is the best dog we've ever owned, temperament wise.

She was very timid when we first got her, and she's still a little bit reluctant to go near adults that she doesn't know, but for some reason she just adores children.

She looks more like a poodle with a poodle coat, but a bit sturdier bone wise. But she is so good with the kids and she is the only dog that I've ever been 100% confident enough to let other kids play without being worried that she may bite. I've never even heard her growl, and she's nearly 8 now.

If we ever get her a friend, we will probably go with a purebred poodle though because I love the fact that she's smart (she toilet trained herself and I swear she tries to talk!) and she doesn't shed fur, but as pp have already said, it's a bit hit and miss with a cross-breed. I think we just got lucky this time!

A genuine question though for those in the know  wink.gif  - are there actually reputable breeders for poodle cross-breeds (who actually keep track of the blood lines), or are all breeders money-hungry puppy farms?

#24 lovepink

Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:21 AM

Hi everyone,

I guess I just felt like people were saying I was uneducated which I took offence to because we have been researching, getting all the facts etc for literally a year now. We are even now building a house with a big enough back yard for a dog and really are not taking the decision lightly. I was more looking for opinions/experience from those with Cavoodles/Japoodles....

QUOTE
People here refer to designer dogs as mongrels or mutts. In the doggy word
this is the correct vernacular, but in the everyday world, those words are
insults i.e Campbell Newman is a mongrel b*st*rd. So when a newbie posts asking
about a dog and get told their choice is an insult, well that doesn't come
across as nice.


Delilah summed it up perfectly how I felt.

Thanks for all taking the time to comment.

#25 lovepink

Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:45 AM

QUOTE (Madame Catty @ 04/10/2012, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is a genuine question OP.  If you've done all the research, then surely you would have come across what previous posters are talking about?  But you still want to go ahead with that 'breed'?



Yes I do.




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