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#1 censura carnero

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:27 PM

What an interesting episode.  So much for the lucky country hey.  I'm completely unfamiliar with this area living in south east qld and don't know of any equivalent suburb here.  Does anyone who has first hand experience have any comments or observations.

#2 Fr0g

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:33 PM

Recording it as we speak! Interesting topic...

#3 sa5ha

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:34 PM

It was a very interesting episode. My heart just breaks for those kids thinking of all the things they miss out on and the damage the environment they're in must be doing to them long term.

Really makes you count your own blessings...

#4 LynnyP

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:35 PM

I heard some of it on the radio today, I have it recording too.  It is a real social disaster.  The idea that, as they say, just down the road (in a sense) from where I sit there are children seeing things I have never seen and that my children have been fully sheltered from.  How can these children rise above it?  The person interviewed today talked about their childhood being "extinguished".

Edited by LynnyP, 24 September 2012 - 09:37 PM.


#5 76 others

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:36 PM

I didn't see the episode, but I lived in Campbelltown all my life up until 3 years ago. Claymore is a hole and you just don't go near there. What was the episode about?

#6 hiccamups

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:36 PM

Haven't heard.  Thankfully we're a couple of hrs behind so I'll have to check it out as soon as these kids are in bed.


#7 hiccamups

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:39 PM

Four Corners - growing up poor

Is this it?

#8 censura carnero

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:40 PM

QUOTE (Gloriosa @ 24/09/2012, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't see the episode, but I lived in Campbelltown all my life up until 3 years ago. Claymore is a hole and you just don't go near there. What was the episode about?


They profiled 5 families living in claymore.  Pretty much demonstrated how dumping welfare dependant families all together is a total disaster.  THe are was built in the 70's. They showed how the situation is multi generational as children live and learn what they see around them.

Edited by censura carnero, 24 September 2012 - 09:40 PM.


#9 censura carnero

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:41 PM

QUOTE (:: toots :: @ 24/09/2012, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Yes

#10 Nicole

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:46 PM

I didn't see the program, but do know the area. I drive through there everyday. It's not a nice place and I could never imagine having to bring a child up living there. The whole estate needs to be bulldozed (which I see they are doing slowly) but will that bring a whole new set of problems when the residents are re-housed elsewhere? A lot of the people who live there are happy to do so, happy to live the way they do, if they are moved elsewhere, I wonder if they will continue to live the same kind of lifestyle?
Housing NSW need to do a whole lot of planning and enforcing to clean the area up somehow, I can't see any way forward until they do.

#11 Farmgal

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:47 PM

Very interesting and sad. I grew up in a suburb of Campbelltown and know life can be very hard.
But I wonder if the documentary maker thought about the children they interviewed? Did they think that maybe the things the kids spoke of would possibly make their lives a lot tougher, especially at school.
I know the documentary had a very important message, but I feel the children's faces shoud have been blacked out.

Edited for spelling..stupid iPad

Edited by farmgal, 24 September 2012 - 09:49 PM.


#12 Sherwes1

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:47 PM

I watched it and it broke my heart. The thing that really struck me was that the kids didn't so much comment on missing out on material things. Almost all of their comments reflected that they feel unsafe in their environment. They seemed to just accept that fear as a normal part of life.


#13 Also sprach

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:50 PM

The problems of Claymore have been documented for many years.  Bulldozing it may assist but the problems go much deeper than that.

#14 KT1978

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:55 PM

I only saw the end.

Must watch online.

This has been a topic of discussion at our home recently. Dd made friends with a little girl who comes from this type of background - generations of disadvantage in one tiny home, no dad, no jobs. She seems like a nice kid but she comes to our place by herself, even though her mum doesn't know us and seems to wander the streets alone. I welcome her at our place, but I worry about how she will be as a teenager.

Most parents have to "discourage" these friendships when the kids are older because the lack of boundaries mean their children start to think wandering the street with no supervision is normal. To add to the suburb being segregated, the children within these schools are segregated by class in a way. Just another disadvantage to contend with...

These suburbs should be disbanded.

#15 *LucyE*

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE
I'm completely unfamiliar with this area living in south east qld and don't know of any equivalent suburb here.

I've never been to Claymore and don't know the area, but from the sounds of it, it seems similar to Kingston or Inala in SE QLD.

These are two areas that have high intergenerational unemployment and poverty. They are relatively close to other expensive suburbs, but gets ignored and over looked because the problems are too difficult.

#16 Feral-Lausii

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:57 PM

I live in the next suburb over. Not housing commission though. Claymore is the primary school we would have been zoned for despite not living in that suburb. Needless to say dd goes to a catholic school.

I have only lived in this area for almost a year, where we are is all privately owned/rented homes. Not a single problem. Yet just 500m down the road, totally different story.

#17 Expelliarmus

Posted 24 September 2012 - 09:59 PM

I haven't watched but,
QUOTE (censura carnero @ 24/09/2012, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They profiled 5 families living in claymore.  Pretty much demonstrated how dumping welfare dependant families all together is a total disaster. THe are was built in the 70's. They showed how the situation is multi generational as children live and learn what they see around them.

They did that in Adelaide in the 1950s when they built Elizabeth. It was a failure then. I don't know why they decided to try again 20 years later somewhere else in Australia.

#18 LynnyP

Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:01 PM

They also build all the houses facing each other around common areas howdo with alley ways joining them.  Disaster.

Hackham West was more recent than Elizabeth too.

#19 Expelliarmus

Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:02 PM

QUOTE (Nicole @ 24/09/2012, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't see the program, but do know the area. I drive through there everyday. It's not a nice place and I could never imagine having to bring a child up living there. The whole estate needs to be bulldozed (which I see they are doing slowly) but will that bring a whole new set of problems when the residents are re-housed elsewhere? A lot of the people who live there are happy to do so, happy to live the way they do, if they are moved elsewhere, I wonder if they will continue to live the same kind of lifestyle?
Housing NSW need to do a whole lot of planning and enforcing to clean the area up somehow, I can't see any way forward until they do.

It created severe dysfunction when it was tried in some areas in and around Elizabeth.

Edited by howdo, 24 September 2012 - 10:28 PM.


#20 Nicole

Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:03 PM

I'm 2 suburbs away Lausii, and my daughter goes to Eaglevale high, she has no choice, it is the only school in the area that can cater for her special needs. Eagelvale High is pretty much in Claymore though. The teaching staff do what they can, and I am glad that if my daughter has to go there, that she is in the support unit and not mainstreamed.

#21 Expelliarmus

Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:03 PM

QUOTE (LynnyP @ 24/09/2012, 10:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They also build all the houses facing each other around common areas howdo with alley ways joining them.  Disaster.

Hackham West was more recent than Elizabeth too.

That's what I am saying - WHY ARE THEY STILL DOING IT? It's been a failure for almost 60 years.

#22 Coffeegirl

Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:06 PM

It was a bit of an eye opener for my 11 & 8 year olds as we made them watch it.  

I don't think it's ever occurred to either of my children, that there are children, just like them,  that have to live in appalling conditions and in fear every day, and that these children aren't in a war zone, nor are they refugees.  These children live on the other side of the same city we do.  

My DS was crying at the part where someone had torched the children's trampoline for sh*ts and giggles. He just couldn't comprehend that there were assholes out there that would do that to children.  


The cycle just seems to be so vicious.    I wonder where those children will be in 10 years time.   I hope that they break the cycle.  The parents (for the most part) just wanted their children to be better than they were and to escape.


Shame on the NSW Liberal government for claiming there was actually no money budgeted for the re-development.  And shame on the Federal government for allowing this to be stopped. Where'd their money and support go?

http://macarthur-chronicle-campbelltown.wh...-redevelopment/



#23 Nicole

Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:09 PM

QUOTE
QUOTE (LynnyP @ 24/09/2012, 10:01 PM) *
They also build all the houses facing each other around common areas howdo with alley ways joining them. Disaster.

Hackham West was more recent than Elizabeth too.

That's what I am saying - WHY ARE THEY STILL DOING IT? It's been a failure for almost 60 years.


I believe they have seen the error of their ways and why they are bulldozing the area and similar estates. such as Minto and Macquarie Fields where the layout was pretty much the same. Sadly for a lot of the children who have grown up there, it is probably too late. The tenants are being dispersed throughout private housing estates in the hopes that they will be better off. Who knows what might happen though. but thank God there will be less children growing up in areas such as Claymore, hopefully the cycle will be broken and the kids might have half a chance.

#24 hiccamups

Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:12 PM

QUOTE
They also build all the houses facing each other around common areas howdo with alley ways joining them. Disaster.


They did a lot of that in Girrawheen and Balga in WA.  At least from memory.  I have no idea what would compare in WA.

QUOTE
but thank God there will be less children growing up in areas such as Claymore, hopefully the cycle will be broken and the kids might have half a chance.


But where will the kids grow up?  And will things really change for them even if they're moved out?



#25 babychacha

Posted 24 September 2012 - 10:13 PM

Its an awful environment for the kids to grow up in. I had a look at the FB page for Four Corners and some of the comments were distressing as well. Someone suggesting vegies be served at the weekly bbqs....the least of their problems. I did see someone post a question as to how to support he group that organised the bbqs.

I've sent a note to Four Corners and asked if its possible to send a care package to the mum Kristen who is raising her children and her sister's children. Its not much but there is little else I can offer in the way of help.




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